Life After the Salafi Cult
After being in Islam a short time, I was introduced into what was heavily marketed as the “pure and clear” way of ’salafiyyah’ in which all other Muslims must come to this way or be opposed at all costs. It was very appealing because what new Muslim wants anything but that? Things went well for a few years until the “purge” came (refered to in this series by Umar Lee) and people were “on it” or “off it”. This was not the Islam that I had accepted and soon I began to realise that there were indeed deep problemsin this “manhaj”. Being a little stubborn, I was relentlessly boycotted for not renouncing the likes of Bilal Philips or Jamal Zarabozo – both of whom at the time I listened to.
My own wife gave me horrible grief and my children were teased by their friends who were told by their salafi parents not to play with my children. My daughter was told by her friend “My Dad says that your Dad is a deviant“. Can you imagine the confusion this caused for the children on both sides? My ex-wife was ‘advised’ to destroy my property (my taped lectures and books). As you can imagine this fitnah destroyed whatever harmony that was in my home and she kept pressing for a divorce because I would not submit to the purge. She wanted me to relent so that she and our children would not have to face the brunt of their boycott. Since I would not, she wanted a divorce. They even boycotted my small business and refused to buy from me. This was the most exhausting, draining period of my life as this woman would wake me up in the middle of the night after listening to some Pal Talk lecture to pick fights with me because she was angry that I’d fallen into “bidah” and “making her life miserable”. She would constantly nag me about what ”Sh. Rabee said” or ”Sh Ubaid said” or ”Sh Falih” or “Sh Fawzee al-Atharee” and other scholars. She would also undermind my authority in front of the children and call me a “mubtade” in front of them and attribute my “deviance” to any and all disagreements especially if I did not want to attend one of the salafi conferences. I could go on and on about how my life was going down the drain from this salaficultists bringing this fitnah into my home, but I will spare the details. To make a long story short, I had developed beliefs that clearly contradicted the ’salafi manhaj’. I believed that the idea that compassion and mercy are qualities that a Muslim should have and not the hate, anger, and ruthlessness I was witnessing with the salafis. I believed that if someone has a problem or misunderstanding that you do not ostracize and boycott them, but you respond with genuine concern for them and if they don’t want your support, mind your business, it’s personal. I found all of these things missing and even ridiculed as “descriptions of the deviants” in the salafi cult. I realized that I could not be a ’salafi’ and also keep my independent beliefs. I renounced ’salafiyyah’ after a lot of thinking and soul searching because this kind of “manhaj” just could not be from Allah
Not long after that, my wife and I divorced as it was official that I was a ‘deviant’. I wanted to keep my family together, but she was uncompromising and I was not going to keep her prisoner. Ironically my ex-wife eventually ‘burned out” and stopped practicing Islam altogether when she too was boycotted for not being sufficiently ’salafi’ over some petty argument on one of their “salafi sister” email lists. She does not cover at all and is basically agnostic about religion at this point.
So here I am left alone trying to get my life back together and raising my four children alone. At 41 years of age I am trying to hold on with everything that I have to maintain my own Islam. This story has repeated itself in many different forms with many different people. At this point I just quietly go to pray and leave. The “salafi dawah” is just a bunch of literal legal code with no connection to God.
At this point, after having left the salafi cult, life is full of ups and downs and I am working very hard to raise my children alone and under a new understanding of Islam. Damage has been done to them and I am trying to tell them that the cult of salafiyyahis not what Islam is. At some point I have to be honest with them about their mother. Imagine as a child seeing your mother go from wearing all black and niqaab to wearing shorts and tee-shirt. I have to hold it together for them. That thought alone is overwhelming and frightening. I read this post about cults and realized that I had been in a cult clothed in the name of “pure” Islam
In other aspects I have so many mixed feelings. I feel as if I have just returned from another planet. I feel full of rage and pain. I feel full of hope for the future now that I am not shackeled by that cult. I am still coming to terms with being spiritually raped and feeling like my life has been. I don’t know how to convey the extremes of the pain.
Having spent many years in the salafi cult, I have to start life over at 41. The idea of having to basically start life over again is sad, frustrating, and painful. I must remind myself constantly that it is possible to rebuild although I will not be able to make up for all the years the salafi cult has stolen from me, but I can make up for some of those lost years. I’ve worked very, very hard to recover from a severely dysfunctional family in the salafi cult to continue with life.
For others that are recovering, I am sharing my story with you that so that you know that you are not alone and that if you work hard, you can recapture your life. I have not fully recaptured my life, but I am working hard at it.
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Brother, this is deep. Thanks so much for sharing.
Brother,
Thank you for having the tremendous courage to share these painful experiences. I’ll make dua for you and your family.
To the Silent Audience Reading This:
We are all fragile humans who have made mistakes. As the brother said, you are not alone. This applies to all sorts of mistakes—whatever it is, know that you are not alone in your experiences. It’s just that most people, unlike the brother who wrote this post, don’t have the courage to discuss their recovery. Never compare how you feel on the inside to what others are projecting on their outside.
Asalamu alaykum… I just started reading your blog and really appreciate this post. Please don’t be discouraged — think of this time as a time of great opportunity for you to draw closer to Allah SWT. All the best brother. Keep blogging.
why is it the frail nature of man to get so enmeshed in shadows and to be blinded to the simple yet brilliant substance-this way or that ,there are many routes to the mountain top-the only matter is that you arrive and each of us must choose his or her own path – it is the nature of man to fragment truths in the clamouring for the deceptions of his own ambitions- do not become enmeshed in the mindless mouthings of would be scholars-listen to your heart and be of courage to follow its call.
Assalamu Alaikum Brother, Firstly I must in all honesty congratulate you. MashaAllah, you have done yourself a world of a favour disengaging yourself with this Madkhali Cult which I personally call MadCowDiseased Manhaj. You are just what Allah (swt) wants you to be ‘A free thinking Mind’.
I got caught up with this bunch years back, at the time I was still seeking the right path, the right group, the right knowledge etc. etc. But fortunately for me, I always begged Allah (swt) for guidance, and soon after being with this lot I ejected myself realising Islam isn’t little brainwashed kids waving Hadiths round like magic wands expecting them to work miracles on people, Hidayah is a guidance from Allah (swt) you cannot see.
Nike trainers, latest mobile phones, football, eating out, vanities, vanities and more vanities and worse of all worshipping Saudi Scholars describes this lot in a nutshell.
You stay strong, thank Allah (swt) for guiding you away from this lot, He’s ultimately your Best friend and your Best guidance.
The truth is not known by the men, rather, the men are known by the truth! (Something these two brain celled Madkhalites could never comprehend).
Asalam 3leikoum wr wb,
May Allah swt reward you ya akhi fillah. Please stop by our forum and meet others like yourself insha’Allah.
Fiamanillah
Yousef
Asalamu A’laykum brother,
Subhanallah your story is amazing. May Allah continue to bless you, as you know brother life is full of testing, so be patient Insha’Allah.
This cult, in my opinion are on of the reason for this ummah’s (nation)disunity. And like, I too have struggled with their evil actions and harsheness.
Jezakallahu Khayran for exposing these people for what they truly are.
In the Name of Allah,
Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barkaatuhu.
After reading your entry I felt inspired to share my thoughts on your situation. Firstly I ask Allah to give you strength and courage to keep on keepin on as a muslim.
Remember brother that polytheism was introduced to mankind through gradual measures. Shaytan is a tricky enemy and as you should know the da’wah of salafiyyah as intended by the righteous scholars who have been helpinig revive the Islamic creed in the East and the West was never like this. I would like to refer you to a book written by Shaikh Al-Uthaymeen, namely, his explination of Imam An-Nawawii’s 40 hadeeth, in which he comments about the misguidance of the sect.
Point being, dont throw the baby out with the bath water.
Alhumdulilah my heart never felt right around these brothers, they were cruel and merciless, without remorse and altough I let them think I was with them, I never let my heart become hardened to the point of cursing and backbiting people that I had never met.
Anyhow, just a few thoughts, may Allah forgive us and keep us strong. Ameen
Abu Sulayman
@ Abu Sulayman
wa alaykum as-salaam wa rahmatullhi wa barakatuhu
I have no intention of throwing out the baby (i.e., Islam) out with the bathwater (i.e., the “salafi” cult). I am convinced that the narrow and mean way of this cult is not from Islam at all
Asalamu alaykum
May Allah give those who spolied your life what they deserve, Ameen ya Rab, Ameen,
As salaamu ‘alaikum…
Brother,
I feel your pain and I have been there as well from being boycotted and called all sorts of names. I continued to seek knowledge through the Quran and the sunnah and I kept to myself and dealt directly with the scholars. What made this possible was my ability to speak arabic alhamdulilaah. The problem is not with the salafiyah or with the scholars but with the people who attributed themselves to salafiyah, in the West particularly. They would often misinform the scholars for their own motives. Most of these poor souls are still practising ignorant characters they do not wish to leave. It is easier to wear a veil or have a beard than to stop backbiting and oppressing others, even though all of these are from the deen. I always reminded myself that as the Prophet taught us, two things can not be present in a hypocrite, knowledge and a good character.
When you travel to the Middle East, you meet wonderful salafis who do actually practice the sunnah of the prophet in being compassionate to the believers. They are hospitable and patient. Their characters reflect the hadeeths that they have studied and they try to emulate the Prophet’s ways with sincerity.
I too am a single mother and I ask Allaah to guide and protect our families. Salafiyah is indeed the pure message as it is built on the foundations of the first three generations. I can not blame you for your anger akhee and all others who have been hurt. I explain these experiences to the scholars and students of knowledge here who are truly disapointed and disgusted with what people have been put through. At the end of the day it is Allaah who guides and misguides.
I remind everyone to make the dua we were taught by the Prophet; “Oh Allaah, Lord of Gabriel and Michaeel and Israfeel, Creator of the heavens and the Earth, knower of the seen and the unseen, YOU are the arbitrator between YOUR servants in that which they have disputed. Guide me to the truth by YOUR leave in that which they have differed, for verily YOU guide whom YOU will to a straight path.”
Sincerely
Your Sister
Umasiyah
@ umasiyah
as-salam alaikum
Thank you for your comments
These people probably do not call themselves ’salafi’ and run around with lists of people that are “on it” or “off it”. I swear I want nothing to do with that type of nonsense. As you mentioned, there is no question that this so-called “dawah” (that calls itself “salafi” ) has been a disaster for many individuals, families and otherwise. Am I angry? You’re darn right I am angry. Very angry. My children are confused and I am struggling ALONE to try to show them something good. Man, in many ways I would say that I am confused myself (yes, I said it). Now these people are trying to erase history and pretend that they have not hurt anyone or done any damage. Some of the fitnah mongers are STILL giving lectures and getting married at every opportunity. Why do we let them get away with this?
All I can do is try to keep others from falling into what I fell into
As Salaamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah! Firstly, I found it strange that a link to this blog from a brother arrived in my emailbox. anyway…. Secondly, I pray Allah forgives those who harmed you and your family, rectify your affairs and guide us all to that which is correct. Ameen!
I am Salafi but have a brain of my own. I’ve been Salafi for 11 years and know and have always know its the people who give Islam a bad name not the minhaj. That being the way of the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi wa Sallam as understood by the Salafis Saalih! This is pure Islam! Not the lack of understanding in the way that some or may implement Islam. Allahu Musta’an!
It makes me feel really sad to see what you described happen and I’ve seen it happen so many times! In sha’ Allah, I’ve raised my children to be balanced Muslim who follow what Allah and His Messenger said. Balance is what many of our Salafi brothers and sisters need. Balance is deen. They didn’t have this before Islam and it is probably hard for them now and Allah knows best!
Please continue to make dua’a for those people and all the Muslims because this Ummah could stand some rectification and Allah knows best.
I pray Allah guides you to that which is correct (that will take you to the Jannah and not the Fire); that He guides and protects your children from kufr and deviancy; and that He give you and us all the correct understanding of Islam to practice it correctly. Ameen!!!
Wa Billahi At-Tawfeeq!
As salaam Alaikum Akee
You put yourself in this situation, Salafia is not a cult no one force you to believe in anything. No dominant leader forcing you to drink Kool Aid,you were weak and pityful in your family life. Are you calling the Prophet and his companions and what they followed a cult ? there will be ignorant people until the end of time salafy or not salafy,and by the way where are you going? This smells like that Devil Omar Lee
@ Idris
You are wrong. I am not Umar Lee and I didn’t ask you people to distribute your “on it” lists and boycott and treat people who did not agree with you on a minor issue like crap. NO I DID NOT ASK FOR IT. I am calling what YOU follow a cult when you run around declaring people to be deviant and unfit and being unfair to people. I tried to keep my family together but with people like YOU ‘advising’ her it was just not possible
You people are so relentless and heartless it is pathetic. Have you no shame? Have you no sense of compassion?
Salafi Burnout, the brother asked a legitimate question… “Are you calling the Prophet and his companions and what they followed a cult ?” Because this is what Salafiyyah is, not what “you people” do or say. SubhannAllah! This is a clearly a test for you and your have to beseech Allah for His help and guidance! We all have made mistakes along the way and in sha’ Allah, will continue to make mistakes. We are human and Allah loves when his slave begs for forgiveness.
So brother, what are you going to do when the kafirs start to get to you????
May Allah guide you and us all. Ameen!
anonymous and Idris: do you two have even half a working brain cell between you? It’s obvious SB isn’t saying the Sahaba followed a cult. People like you seem to miss the bleeding obvious and instead make stupid accusations.
The modern day group with faulty understanding of the deen, who call themselves “Salafiyya” aka Wahhabies, are the cult. Just because they claim to follow the Salaf us-Saliheen does not make it so. Christians claim to follow Jesus.
The Wahhabies tick every box of a cult, everyone not following their small group are wrong, fitna mongering, splitting up communities, families etc these are all hallmarks of a cult movement. Alhamdulillah the Ummah, ahl ul Sunnah wa Jama’ , reject these people of bid’a. These groups die out in the end, when sensible and sincere people (like the author of this site) realise what these people teach is wrong they leave. Only the stupid ignoramouses are left behind who the leaders can easily fool. Then there are those that love the fitna (yes unbelievable but they do exist), these people are more akin to shayateen.
This is why this blog is dangerous because it will insite people like Hannah, who has no knowledge of the labels she post, to call names and to make accusations. May Allah guid us ALL. Ameen!
Hannah, you’r doing the same thing the brother is accusing the Salafies of doing ,do you belong to a cult!!!!! Maybe the I follow what I want cult. If someone is decleard a Deviant It’s declared by the Scholars of Islaam who are the inheritors of the Prophet.The two people the brother mentioned are deviants.yes there are brothers who are extremist,However dont judge salafia by what the people do. Take salafia for what it is THR TRUTH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me also add that this man was given SEVERAL chances to recant his association with the deviants that he associated with. The Salafis were merciful with him by giving him several opportunities but HE is the one that steadfastly refused to obey the words of the ulamaa that were presented to him
Quoting a dead Kafir??? Try quoting Allah and his Messenger (Sallallahu Alayhi wa Sallam). That could be the start of rectification in your life and Allah knows best.
Assalamu alaikum,
I just wanted to thank the brother that created this important blog. It’s so vital that we realize that the pseudo-salafis/wahabbis are not upon the correct Aqeedah or minhaj and that this sect/cult is certainly not Ahl Sunnah Wal Jama’ah. These people are bid’ah filled deviants who cause so much fitnah in the Ummah. Insha’Allah one day they’ll come to traditional orthodox Islam.
Check out this article:
http://neosalafism.wordpress.com/
All praise belongs to Allah and His Salaat and Salaam upon His Nabee, alayhissalaam.
Assalaamu alaykum.
Has the Quran and the Sunnah stipulated that we must refer to Islaam as ‘As-Salafiyyah’? Or does Islaam suffice as the name of the religion that Allah chose for His Last Messanger AS and those who follow?
الحمد لله رب العالمين وصلى الله وسلم على نبينا محمد وعلى آله وأصحابه ومن اهتدى بهديه إلى يوم الدين أما بعد
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Ya aki,
I truly feel your pain. As one who has experienced some of the same misery as you have at the hand of ignorant people who call themselves Salafi, please know, it’s not the minhaj, it’s the people. Yes, I call myself Salafi, but it’s taken a good while to unchain myself from the shackles of oppression and regain balance in my life.
I don’t know your nationality, but understand the problem is with the dysunction inherent to many of those on this minhaj. I’m African American myself, so I can say this. BLACK FOLKS GOT ISSUES!!! Clearly. It doesn’t matter what the religion, or the socioeconomic level. However, and I hate to say it like this, it seems to get worse when you get to the “working class level” or lower. This is because generations of dysfunction from slavery, lynching, lack of adequate opportunity, post-high school education, poverty, crime-ridden ghettos and downright self-hatred still pervade our (read: African American) communities. Unfortunately, many of those upon Salafiyyah may have come from broken homes, dysfunctional backgrounds (remember the likes of those who joined the Nation when Elijah Muhammad came upon the scene) and the like. Just because these people accepted Islam, doesn’t mean all facets of their personality or character changed.
At the same time, because many African American suffer from an identity crisis (those who are not Muslim also suffer, because they are trying to adhere to European/Western values which are not natural to the African American), when they find something that they consider their salvation, they cling to it with their teeth. Masha’allah, we are to cling to the Sunnah with our molars…but what has happened is that people feel like they have found their salvation, but this is combined with a lack of who they were prior to this. This situation is riping for breeding “Salafi robots” and what I call the “cookie cutter” Salafi Stepford wives. People who have gone from one extreme (jahaliyyah) to another (super Salafi robots).
Some are generally afraid of falling into bidah. But I’m not speaking about them. The ISSUES HAVE NOT LEFT THE PEOPLE, ak. The people have left their issues, meaning, they are not dealing with the dysfunction they had BEFORE Islam. So if a man had issues with women before Islam, don’t be surprised if he has 4 wives upon WIC and foodstamps now, ak. If people felt they had no power ak, don’t be surprised now if they feel powerful for the first time in their lives. We need not repeat the “oppressed” black men story. Why wouldn’t this type of brother feel powerful now? Besides that, you know in your heart, that insecure people feel better when they put people down. That makes them feel better about themselves.
And know, ak, that some of our du’aat past and present have identified these issues of African American dysfunction as still being rampant in our community. Walhamduilllah, we now have Imams “thinking outside the box”, up and down the East Coast.
Ak, be patient. I know you are wounded. I too, felt the pain of these people. A good example is the school my children attended. My children were labeled deviant because the school wasn’t Salafi. Astagfirullah. Funny, when these same people “made hijrah” to the UAE or Saudi, things changed. How can you call me a deviant, but you’re now teaching at a non-Salafi school in the UAE? How can you can me a deviant, but you went to Saudi and brought a 42-inch screen TV up in your house? How can you call me a deviant, but you’re now in Saudi attending a masjid that’s not Salafi…hmmm….who makes hijrah to Egypt, which isn’t a Salafi country? Allah exposes the hypocrisy of the people!
Ak, just keep taking this to your Lord. Ask Him to cleanse your heart of the anger and cry, cry, cry unto Him. It’s not you. It’s THEM. For a good long time, I kept feeling as though I didn’t quite fit with the Salafiyoon, but I definitely wasn’t upon the likes of the WDers, Siraj, etc. I realized, it wasn’t me. It was THEM. Just like the area of the country I live in, which is quite conservative, the people are afraid to be different. They are honestly afraid, some of them, that they won’t be considered Salafi if they come out of the black. But ak, things are changing. Again, as I said, finally, some of these same individuals have come up out of that mindset.
Be patient, as you know the reward of Allah is with those who are patient and perservering. And truly, with difficulty, comes ease.
Beautifully said Beautiful Bint! My sentiments exactly! Barak Allahu Feekee!
Thank you Akhi for sharing your story. May Allah help us, and guides us to the straight path, ameen. I am a student of Madinah University, Saudi Arabia; and have been here ever since for nearly a decade. Everybody who knows about this Hardcore Salafi sect, knows that it erupted from here. I apologize for the “straight up” method of the following, but there is no need to beat around the bush with the sneaky minds of these Hardcore Salafis. Starting off as something nice, and then brutally stripped of its nobility only to be used as a way of spreading hatred and “letting off one’s steam”. Everyone should refrain from this name, since it has been mutilated by the actions and words of fools and the misguided. No doubt if you want to get all technical and linguistic about it, then the word “salafi” is from the noblest of names. But in the sense of the FIRST thought which comes to mind when you hear the name…not a pretty picture. I sometimes picture some local brother changing his name to Abu Abdul Haqq Al’Atharee As’Salafi fire off his trigger mouse finger 25hrs a day reading and refuting with some anonymous ID name laughing and grinning. Yeah, that’s one definition in a sense of the mutilated “salafi” word. Allah has named you “Muslims”, as stated in the Quran. Is that not good enough for you? Is that not the ultimate definition of true Tawheed? Don’t take things out of context and give me that crap of “differentiation”. This cult has destroyed homes and masjids. They are from the worst enemies of Islam in our time. I advise the brothers and sisters whom Allah as guided to the Haqq and away from this sect, to have certainty that what the Hardcore Salafis are on is MISGUIDANCE. To add to this, I’ve asked many scholars about this issue, just so I can be certain myself. One of them was Shaykh Abdur’Razzaaq, head the department of Aqeedah in the University of Madinah, and son of one of the great scholars of our time, the Muhadith Shaykh Abdul Muhsin Al’Abbaad. I asked him about the Salafis. Are they on the truth? Where is my position from them? Where he cut me off and replied, “Stay away from them”. I said, well shouldn’t I do something to oppose them then? He said, “Don’t waste your time. You can accomplish much more doing something else”. Stand firm brothers and sisters. Don’t be intimidated by these Salafis, rather make dua for them. I cried for 1 month straight when I realized this was not the Islam that I had accepted. May Allah guide us all, ameen.
أقول للمدعو أبو يحيى: أخلف الله على أم لك ولدتك, ليتها والله ولدت فأراً!
قم فاعرض قولك هذا على من سميت لنفسك من علماء رضيت برأيهم وأذهلك علمهم! فإن أجازوا ما قلت فإني أشهدك أني لوددت أن أجمعك وإياهم في صعيد واحد, ثم أسلح عليكم سلحة حاقن!
يا معشر الجهل اما بقي لكم احلام؟ إني لأبول على رأيكم هذا من سبعة أوجه لا يسع المجال لبسطها ولا يسعف لبكم دركها .
قاتل الله فتنة أمان الجامي وعامله بما هو أهله
قاتل الله فتنة المدخلي من بعده وعامله بما هو أهله
قاتل الله فتنة حامل لواء هذا النتن بعد المدخلي كائناً من كان وعامله بما هو أهله
أحسن الله عزاءك في مصيبتك يا أخي صاحب المقال أسأل الله أن يأجرك فيها وأن يبدلك خيراً منها وإنا لله وإنا إليه راجعون
سبحانك الله وبحمدك أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
Salam alaykum brother,
Just wanted to let you know that I think your blog is SO important and while i have a lot of issues with the movement, i believe at times its better to let fish be fish and work towards building a cohesive Islam that embraces the spirit of learning (not memorization) and debate and truly engenders in people not just the letter of the law but the spirit of Islam. I would like to invite you to be a contributer to my new blog, which is an experiment bringing all types of voices together to talk about a holistic Muslim experience in America.
@ A brother from Madinah
As Salaamu Alaykum, I think your words are very sober and needed, however the brother “Salafi Burnout” has made another another post reagarding the both King of Saudi Arabia and Mufti of Saudi Arabia (head of all “big scholars”) convining and sitting on a panel with Asharis and Shias, to discuss of all things, interfaith dialogue with Christians and Jews. Not mention that King Abdullah has visited Pope Benedict at the vatican, embracing him, sitting with him, bringing him expensive gifts all in an effort to bring about cooperation, between Christians and Muslims.
For years this was grounds for brothers to be place on the dreaded “off it” list and to be called many names openly and publicly, for sitting with people of bidah. So could you ask the ulema there at the university why is this behavior is acceptable from Saudi’s such as King Abdullah and Mufti Abdul-Azziz, while not being acceptable from Blackamericans or their leaders?
abuusama@gmail.com
Allahumma (O Allah) Guide me the straight way, Not (the path) of those who go astray —–>like the Sufis [Deobandis/Shadhlis/Naqschibandis ect.], Neo-Jahmites, Khawaridj, Takfiris, Ikhwan Al Muslimun, Qutbis, Rawafid (Schi´a), Tablighis, Habashis, Extreme Partisans, Qadyanis (Ahmadiyyah), Mu´tazzilah, Ash´aris, Followers of Bin Laden- Sarqawi- Zawahiri- Abdullah Azzam- Salmaa al-Awdah- Mawdudi, Muhammed Suroor …. Followers of Nuh Ha Mim Keller , G.F. Haddad, Hisham Al Kabbani and Shekh Nazim, Hasan Turabi, Yusuf AL-Qaradawi….
–> I´m free from all of them (Groups, Parties and Individuals) ….Allahumma (O Allah) Guide me the straight way The path of those whom Thou hast favored (The Sahaba the salafu-Salih the Ahlu-sunnah wa Jama´a the Ahlul Hadith); Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger (The Ahlul Bid´a , the Ahlul Hawa the People of speculative Theology Ahlul Kalam) O Allah O Allah!!!!!!!!
Ismat you named just about everyone in the Ummah
As-Salaamu ‘Alaikum,
Your story is very painful yet not unique. Many of us have similar tales but to suffer the loss of a wife and the mother of your children to kufr is beyond sad. I pray that somehow your children stay on the correct pathand that their mother is guided back to eemaan and any harm from her is lessened. It is Allah Alone Who guides and He does not always guide whom we love.
I believe it is very important to make a distinction that some of who have at one time or another called themselves ’salafi’ sometimes don’t. Namely, if you believe in Islam as taught by the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) and practiced by him and the companions (radiallahu ‘anhum) you are in essence only attained part of that which makes you deserving of being a true salafi. If the other part is missing, namely actions that are also in accordance with the creed you claim, then you are flawed as any and every other Muslim who claims love of Allah and His Messenger (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam). It is the one whose speech and actions are in accord with those early Muslims who deserves to be called a ’salafi’ and indeed such a person would understand that a mere claim does not get one a pass to Al-Jannah or transform them automatically into some ideal character. They would be the first to understand that the way of the Prophet (s) is to employ patience and kindness and that no individual or a claim to love a list of individuals today (that may change tomorrow) is sufficient to gain Allah’s grace.
Many a sincere person can be led astray and we need humility as opposed to arrogance to gain Allah’s tawfiq. I am as angry as you at times, but to remain angry may be a lack of acceptance of what Allah has obviously willed. Perhaps you and your children were saved from a great evil that manifested itself the way it did. Perhaps at 41 and starting over is a great good for you and them and you must remain patient throughout and confident that Allah, Ar-Rahman will grant you exactly what you need and perhaps in ways you could never foresee any more than you could foresee what has already happened. So I advise myself and you not to hold on to anger but rather cling to hope and purify our ibaadah and ask Allah to increase our knowledge and eemaan. There are many out there who have experienced what you have and they still understand that like other movements, there will always be claimants who sully a good and noble name. Look at our state as Muslims altogether, yet we all know better than to suggest the label of Muslim be dropped. We need to stop thinking that if we label ourselves we become some different creature than the flawed human Allah created us as. I apologize for the khutbah, but I feel your pain as it reflects my own. Make much dua for yourself and your children, for me and my family, for the salafis and indeed all of the believers to be guided and made firm upon the right path. There is no need to put on blinders to rudeness, crudeness, disrespect, ignorance, ‘gangsterism’ or arrogance from Muslims no matter what they call themselves. Let’s just try NOT to fall into any of those categories ourselves.
By the logic of some in this forum, if our friend “Salafi Burnout” is a “deviant” so is His Majesty King Abdullah. In my opinion, King Abdullah is a very fine man. Returning to the issue, though, what is the difference between drinking poisoned kool-aid and wearing a bomb belt? I predict a number of the hot Salafis in this forum will be burnout in few years as well, perhaps because they don’t have the heart to be so ruthless any more.
PS. Dear S.B., I am truly sorry those mean people destroyed your family. All I can say is, try to take the long view. Time wounds all heals.
Brother;
I have come accross with your sad story in some group topic.
I am still shocked and deeply hurt with all those happened to you and your family.
So those rumours about salafi burnout in the western countries are true?
You and your children will be in our prayers.
All the best
Ahmed from Istanbul
Assalamu Alaikum Brother,
I came across your site and your story really touched me. I ask Allah(SWT) to ease the burden on you and reward you for the dhulm and oppression that you have encountered from this group.
I have lived in Saudi Arabia all my life and was educated at an international school which was filled with Madkhalis from the UK (Salafi Publications crowd). Wallahi brother, these people are among the worst of people in hypocrisy and deviation. They have a label with which to slander every practising Muslim and are lenient towards the oppressive rulers and their Crusader and Zionist brethren.
You will be surprised that some of the used to say that if you mention “bismillahir rahmanir rahim” before eating food, then you have done a bid’ah, since only bismillah should be said. Making a fuss out of trivial issues is their hallmark and slandering, bullying, insulting other Muslims another trademark. BTW, this crowd consisted of mostly second-generation UK Asian Madkhalis.
In short, may Allah reward you for your patience and shower his blessings upon you and keep you on the right track. From my vast time spent here in Saudi, I now realize that Madkhali is actually a stick with which the Fasiq and Taghoot Saudi government tries to silence the voices of truth everywhere in the Muslim world. By creating this idol called Madkhali and calling people to follow him and his cult, they sown the seeds of fitnah and disunity among families and the ummah at large.
May Allah guide this cult or if that is not written for them, may He destory them and protect the Muslim Ummah from their fitnah. Ameeeen!
Assalamu Alaikum,
Unfortunately, I used some inappropriate language in my post above which is not befitting a Muslim. I would like to recant the harsh words above yet still warn people from this group known as the followers of Rabee Madkhali whose purpose is to divide the ummah and tell every non-Madkhali Muslim that they are bound for Jahannam, wallahul Musta’aan.
The problem with the salafi movement is that it is only two dimensional. it is concerned with only fiqh (islam) and aqeedah (iman), but has no concept of tasawuf (ihsan). Islam is not a set of rules and conformity for us all to fall into as if that in and of itself were virtue. Rather it is about using ALL THREE elements to purify the soul and develop a God consciousness. Legalism is harsh and often cruel. Islam is not this thing, salafiyah is.
As-salamu 3alaikum
Abu Abid: …You will be surprised that some of them (Madakhila[the followers of Schekh Rabi3) used to say that if you mention “bismillahir rahmanir rahim” before eating food, then you have done a bid’ah
A Nasiha to you ....and The Messenger of Allah (SalAllah 3alaihi wa sallam) said: Religion is sincere advise (Nasiha)....
1.The Prophet (SallAllah 3alaihi wa Sallam) said only "bismillah" before eating ore drinking something...so follow him ...Allah Ta3ala said: "And obey Allah and the Messenger, that ye may obtain mercy." [Qur’aan 3:132] ; and HE said: “Say: If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you sins.” [Qur’aan 3:31] …and “It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their “decision”: if any one ddecided by isobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.” [Qur’aan 33:36] …
2. I´am surprised that you lived in Saudi all youre live, and than left and now you call the Saudi Government Fasiq and Taghoot*….
* note: you lived all youre live in Saudi , yet you aren´t be able to speak arabic. If you are aware of the arabic language, you would be in the know that “Saudi Goverment” is in plural—> so you have to say: Taghawit and Fasiqun……
This shows us:
1. you are a liar
2. you are a Takfiri
3. you are Curser….quote: Wallahi brother, these people are among the worst of people in hypocrisy and deviation
Allah 3azza wa Jall said: O ye who believe! let not some men among you laugh at others: it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): nor let some women laugh at others: it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: and those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.O ye who believe! avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: and spy not on each other, nor speak ill of each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it. But fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-Returning, Most-Merciful. [Hudjurat:11,12]
Asslamu 3laikum,
Thank you brother Ismat for your word of advice. I agree with you that in my intial post I used vile and inappropriate language, which is why I put a post directly underneath it recanting the statement I mad above in a fit of anger. But still, jazakallah for the naseehah; i have taken it with open heart.
I agree with you that whatever the Prophet (pbuh) came with, then we should follow him (pbuh), rather than blindly follow a person or a group, and that includes Sh rabee3.
O ye who believe! let not some men among you laugh at others: it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): nor let some women laugh at others: it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: and those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.O ye who believe! avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: and spy not on each other, nor speak ill of each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it. But fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-Returning, Most-Merciful
You quoted the verse below and how beautiful is this verse, yet sadly most Muslims fail to act on it. Please tell me, brother Ismat, doesn’t calling people Qutbis, Surooris, etc. fall under name-calling that the above verse has prohibited? What about the suffocatingly self-righteous attitude that some brothers have that only they are headed for Jannah and every other Muslim group in the Ahlus sunnah wal-jamaa’ah is one of the 73 groups destined for hell fire. Doesn’t the above ayah tell us to avoid suspicion, slander and backbiting. Yet some brothers, may Allah guide them, have made these despicable qualities into an integral part of their deen, wallahul musta’an.
BTW, brother Ismat, I am not a takfeeri. Already you have slandered me and done suspicion when the above ayah tells us to avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin. I know that if a Muslim accuses another Muslim of kufr, it rebounds on one of them and I did NOT accuse the saudi government of being kafir, rather I said it was a fasiq and taghoot government, which implies sinning excceedingly and silencing the voices of truth NOT kufr bawwah as you mistakenly assumed. And to help clear another doubt you have, the word “government” is singular in Arabic, and so my usage was correct and would be translate in Arabic as “حكومة فاسقة طاغوتية”.
So, in conclusion, brother Ismat, I agree that I erred in my first post, yet your slandering me was inappropriate as well. Your further insinuation that I don’t know Arabic had me laughing, but then again people from the sect you subscribe to are known for making false assumptions about others, letting their tongues loose to attack other Muslims’ honor and taking that as their deen, wallahul musta’aan.
May Allah guide us all to the true path, the path of the salaf as-salihoon, and may he protect us from shayateen al-jinn wal-ins. Ameen!
Your brother in Islam,
Abdu Abid
To : Brother from Al Madina
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I can’t tell you that what you said is true or not because I can’t check it. Sheikh Al Abbad is a Salafi brother (AlHamdulillah). I don’t know about his son but I am 100% sure that he is a salafi because he is my sheikh.
So, I ask you to go again and ask him because probably you didn’t understand the answer.
On the other hand, probably he was talking about the extreemists that they call themselves Salafis but they are not. Lots of people don’t understand what is the meaning of Salafi and they just call themselves Salafi but that doesnt make them Salafis.
To be a Salafi you have to act like one and not call yourself one
Thank you for your courageous message!
Hadith say that Islam will become strange again. Your experience is merely another tragic example of that truth. The only thing that has propped the Salafi propaganda is Saudi support. But what Muslims don’t realize is that the state of Saudi Arabia was created by David Rockefeller, who continues to monopolize the world’s petroleum resources. And we know to what extent the control of oil and the pursuit of it has been pivotal in the history of the last century.
This history actually goes far deeper. Saudi Arabia of course falls under the Wahhabi heresy which was created by the British to undermine the Ottoman Empire. More recently, however, the movement has been confounded with another deviation, the Salafi. Like Wahhabism, it is designed to undermine Islam, and nurture a brand of extremism that will fuel the “clash of civilizations” that is being deliberately brewed.
The root of this “Salafi” movement is in Egyptian Freemasonry. It represents a broad push by British power throughout the late nineteenth century to foster “reform” movements, centered primarily in Egypt, but also India. The prime instigator of this agenda was an impostor named Jamal ud Din al Afghani. He was actually an Iranian Shiah, as well as Grand Master of the Egyptian Masons. More importantly, he was the guru of the leading occultists of what is called Europe’s “Occult Revival” at the end of the same century.
He was the teacher of another notorious intriguer and British agent by the name of Mohammed Adbuh. Both were supporters of the Bahai movement. Afghani would travel regularly to India to proselytize for that movement, as well as pay visits to the Aga Khan of the Ismailis. In turn, Abduh’s pupil was Rashid Rida, whose student was Hasan Al Banna, who was recruited by Hitler to form the Muslim Brotherhood. After the demise of the Nazis, control of the organization was passed to the CIA, who continued to recruit numerous SS officers for their training.
A similar strategy led to the infamous Gladio networks in Italy, that produced the false flag operations of the Red Brigades. Similarly, the Mulsim Brotherhood was used to foster terrorism among Muslims. Following Nasser’s crackdown on the organization, which included the execution of Sayed Qutb, the CIA arranged for the transfer of many of its members, including Qutb’s brother Mohammed, to Saudi Arabia. It is such that the Saudi state is currently blaming the influx of Salafi influence for the rise of militancy in their country, but the truth is they have colluded with the US in fostering that emergence ever since, primarily through the Iran-Contra affair, which was used to finance the “Mujahideen” in Afghanistan, at the CIA’s behest.
Our religion has been hijacked. This is particularly crucial for those of us who live in English-speaking countries, where Islamic publications are monopolized by the state of Saudi Arabia. It has created for us the illusion that the Salafi/Wahhabi “Dawah” is the true Islam of the majority of Muslims. Without knowledge of Arabic, and the rich tradition of Islamic knowledge, it becomes difficult to assess the true deviance of this wayward movement. Nevertheless, a sincere heart is always the answer. They cannot hide the truth ultimately. And if Allah wishes you to know it, it will be shown to you.
asalamu alaikum brother
may Allah accept your efforts and reward you for them and to wipe your slate clean from the dhulm of the dhaalimeen
i do have on reservation.
i don’t think you should attribute this satanic wannabe jarh wa t’adeel manhaj to “salafiyyah” . Rather what is properly being labeled as is it being madkhali manhaj from people who made taqleed of a handful of shaykhs, all making Shaykh Rabee the master of jarh wa t’adeel.
i came to my sense long ago, who like ourself, was involved in the mix of extremism from these ghulaat. And for a while, i adopted their practices, until this muflis manhaj became apparent to m that actual real scholars and the real students of sunni Islam (salafis) do not behave in the manner this heretical fringe hizbi cult operate may Allah guide them back to the haq.
At any rate, it pains me to read such catastrophes like this, as others have experienced the same thing, worse, or less. But that is what this ghulaat manhaj is, a “hype” that goes around wanting to do something for Islam no matter how inherently ignorant of it they are and how grossly ignorant they are of the quran and how deprived they are of the arabic language.
asalamu alaikum
One more thing.
i noticed the post with the greatets amount of inaccuracies was David Livingston’s last post up to this one right here
he says
“This history actually goes far deeper. Saudi Arabia of course falls under the Wahhabi heresy which was created by the British to undermine the Ottoman Empire”
thats a wonderful story, considering the historical fact that the british was in deep oppoisition to the deemed “wahhabis” and infact imspired Ibraheem Pasha and his son to fight against the wahhabis for the wahhabis represented a threat to “british interests”
secondly, the only thing that was created by the British, is the labeling of the revival of sunni Islam with the invented term “wahhabiyyah”. That is why the impression of the wahhabis was an invention from the british from the get go, because the original intent of the british was to demonize the establishment of orthodoxy by labelling this orthodoxy as “wahhabiyyah” attributing this already established orthodoxy from centuries of scholarship to Ibn Abdul-Wahhab, as if anything he said was “new”.
he says
“The only thing that has propped the Salafi propaganda is Saudi support.”
true, but how does that differ from any other madhaab who was aided, at a certain point in time, with other dynastic rulers. The ash’aris for example, recieved total power under the Nazimul-Mulk, and the Mutazilah centuries before was backed by the Abassid caliphate of Mutawakkil and caliphs prior and after him. The hanafis gained dominance in the east, and the shafi’ees in Egypt. And the hanbalis remained a small brand until the advent of Saudi.
lastly, you came up with an array of claims that do not even coincide with the actual life of these people you mentioned. while i viesw all of these people as problematic, this conspiratorial outlook is not only baseless (for whih there is no proof, at least no presented anyway) and as well makes no sense to the actuality of their biographical lives. Actually, their biographies hint towards a detrimental view of the “powers” that was claimed invented them or brought them on masonry.
the only on whom i have necountered with the claim of being a mason was abuh, and of which its claim was sketchy at best.
@al-boriqee
While I agree that the post from Br. David is “out there” it does contain a kernal of truth. However allow me to clear up a few points first, other than a little “tacid lip service” the ruling “al-Saud” clan is not wahhabi nor has it ever been. The al-Saud only use the Wahhabi to maintain an Islamic fasade over their ruling. The proof of this is can you name one decesion by the al-Saud government that was overturned due the “scholars” ruling against it? I can name a few major issues with regards to governace where the “scholars” back peddled or reversed decisions because the al-Saud wanted a different direction. Even look at appearance I have yet to see a single leading member of al-Saud with a full beard or with a tauwb that didn’t drape below his ankles. LOL
I’ve noticed that many of the Salafi are now trying to make Shaykh Rabee the scape goat, yet he’s only following the previous Wahhabi before him. How could the al-Saud even have come to power in the first place without pronouncing takfir on those then in power? The Wahhabi doctrine provided the basis for this. Wahhabism is the stick by which al-Saud maintain rule period.
And so that the cycle (of those excluded from power who pronounce takfir to justify coming to power) doesn’t repeat it the al-Saud have created a third eid called national day so as to create love and loyalty to the Saudi thrown and to tamp down on allegence to Wahhabism. This is why Shaykh al-Auodah with al-Saudi blessings now attends and promotes Maulids. LOL Kinder and gentler Wahhabi LOL
Are there some good brothers among the al-Saud? Of course there is, but their primary goal is to maintain control and rule in Saudi that’s how Americans should view it and I have no beef with that. What I have a problem with is the al-Saud exporting Wahhabism in order to give the Wahhabis an outlet so that they don’t direct their actions internal to Saudi.
Also I have a problem with them underminding the unity of indigenous Muslims here in America, none of these “muslim lands” want to see the indigenous Muslims in America gain any autonomy or self-determination, so they constantly undermind polictical unity here. The Wahhabi teach indigenous American Muslims to blast our leaders at every error, while in the same breath teaching Saudis to accept whatever the al-Saud the leaders do.
Na’am Abu Usamah,
I find it mighty interesting myself that the Scholars don’t say jack about what the “Royal Family” does. Yet so many of my Salafi brothers and sisters are quick to point out that we shouldn’t precede the scholars? Okay, we’re supposed to ask the people of knowledge if we don’t know. Well, I have a problem with that. And we here are supposed to rush not to precede them, or consult with them on every affair? Something’s wrong here.
Because these are the same scholars who don’t advise the Saudi government as they should. So either there’s a double standard when dealing with them, or the Saudi government is correct in their actions. Besides that, I just can’t see having to ask the Shuyuk about every matter. Yes, they’re knowledgeable about matters here in the West, some of them, but unless they have an acute understanding of what really happens here, sorry, I don’t see deferring to them on all issues. It’s called “a brain”.
A third Eid? I don’t see that as being from Islam. Not in the past centuries. So why now? Sitting with the Pope? Oh now, we don’t do that.
And I’m going to say this, though I know it’s going to cause great fitna. I swear some of those scholars had a problem when Abu Muslimah came on the scene. That brother graduated from Rutgers, went overseas, studied (didn’t drop out either), came back here and was like “Let the Sunnah go forth and don’t oppose with opinion” when he came back. That’s right, my brothers was rocking the crisp thoubs, the long beards and yes, it was an African American brother. I swear in my heart I really believe they want the control of Islam to be in Saudi. They had a problem with that brother “coming up”. My heart still feels that one. For those who try to talk about the “amir” issue, the problem with him (and them) preceded that. How dare a darky have some power is my feeling! And what’s the difference between black people with white images of Jesus and black folks seeking answers from (primarily only) Arab scholars? Does that even SOUND right? Wake up people!!! This is not tribalism, although yes, I’m proud to be African American. Just something’s not right here, is all.
as salaamu alaikum
dear brother, we know that this has had a devastating impact on your deen and your life, but know that salafiyyah is still the haqq, but what people do and say in the name of salafiyyah is not! focus on islaam as a whole, and not this marginalized expulsion and boycottying under the guise of the da’wah. even these people, the hard core ghulaat, have been changing their tunes, and the ones who are adamant about being upon that way, then they have hard core followers who will not leave them no matter what, but ain’t too many joining them because they see the ghuloo’, shakhsiyyah, and siyaasah emanating from them. so hold on to islaam brother, and may allaah grant you (and us) tawfeeq.
asalamu alaikum
@Abu Usamah
you said
“While I agree that the post from Br. David is “out there” it does contain a kernal of truth. However allow me to clear up a few points first, other than a little “tacid lip service” the ruling “al-Saud” clan is not wahhabi nor has it ever been. The al-Saud only use the Wahhabi to maintain an Islamic fasade over their ruling. The proof of this is can you name one decesion by the al-Saud government that was overturned due the “scholars” ruling against it? I can name a few major issues with regards to governace where the “scholars” back peddled or reversed decisions because the al-Saud wanted a different direction. Even look at appearance I have yet to see a single leading member of al-Saud with a full beard or with a tauwb that didn’t drape below his ankles. LOL”
I haven’t rad in detail siyasa ash’shar’i in the mamlika to clarify this claim of yours as solid, but for agument’s sake, lets say its valid. MY asnwer is so what. So was the practice of every haakim in Islam after the the umawi an the first couple abbassi caliphs.
then you said
“I’ve noticed that many of the Salafi are now trying to make Shaykh Rabee the scape goat, yet he’s only following the previous Wahhabi before him. How could the al-Saud even have come to power in the first place without pronouncing takfir on those then in power? The Wahhabi doctrine provided the basis for this. Wahhabism is the stick by which al-Saud maintain rule period.”
1. regarding Shaykh Rabee, yes, some people have this opinion, some don’t. However, this opinion is wrong because this morrally corrupt manhaj has no existed before him, and on top of that, it was mainly his followers who smuthered his ideas of jarh wa t’adeel to the religion as if there is some unified usool that all scholars agree to. Secodnly, i find this assumption of your contradictory to the known fact that other more relied upon senior salafi scholars have written to him and as well clarified some of his mistaks regarding this behavioral pattern, including MUhmmad Nasru-Deen al-Albanee. Therefore, the “scapegoat” reality has more validity than it being a hoax as you have claimed it to be
2. Saud did not gain their acendency or power throgh “takfeer”. My impression is you are unaware of actual historical and or biographical data from relied upon sources like Tarikh al-Najd and others. In fact had saud used the tool of takfeer, he would have destroyed his plans for power. The source of his power was through helping an aiding the sunnah, in which their time was stripped of it. that is why the dawah was viewed as a revival of Islam and its sciences due to the docileness of centuries of mysticism that swepth across the area, reducing livelihood to worshipping stones and maintaning superstitious tales of caves, and even dividing masjids into hanafi masjids, maliki, hanbali, and shafi’ee masjids. Before the dawah of Ibn Abdul-Wahhab, the fours schools managed to divide the masjids into the various madhaabs and the adherent of one madhaab was prohibited from making it in another madhaabi masjid. Once the dawah of Ibn Abdul-Wahhab came, he unified the ranks of the Muslims to one solidified body as was the norm for the first 9 centuries of Islam.
you said
“Are there some good brothers among the al-Saud? Of course there is, but their primary goal is to maintain control and rule in Saudi that’s how Americans should view it and I have no beef with that. What I have a problem with is the al-Saud exporting Wahhabism in order to give the Wahhabis an outlet so that they don’t direct their actions internal to Saudi.”
thats an amusing interpretation of events, just as amusing as David’s
@eastorangesista
you said
“I find it mighty interesting myself that the Scholars don’t say jack about what the “Royal Family” does. Yet so many of my Salafi brothers and sisters are quick to point out that we shouldn’t precede the scholars? Okay, we’re supposed to ask the people of knowledge if we don’t know. Well, I have a problem with that. And we here are supposed to rush not to precede them, or consult with them on every affair? Something’s wrong here.
1. thats because you may have not educated yourself with the huqooq al-umara. You see, this, actually lies back in usoolu-fiqh, or as western salafis put it, manhaj, whcih was the sunni methodology for centuries. One of the rights given in Islam through the prophetic guidance is advice is only given to them in secrecy. In other words, people are not to know about it. However, the problem that we know face is the khariji style interpretation of this act to be “something vile” and “double standard” when in actuality it is a command form the prophet salallahu alaihi wa sallam. That is why the classical jurist has labelled the “correction of rulers in public” an act of kharijism because kharijism its purpose is sedition, and the root of sedition is through this avenue.
secondly, i do know scholars who have and were responsible for advising the family, mainly it is the grand mufti who does it. And if anyone here knows Muhammad ibn Ibraheem, he was very strong in his advice to them, a cuple of which were errornously made public.
2. if you have a problem with “asking the scholars if you don; know” then you have a problem with Allah in what he says in the qur’an and Islam for which He states “faslu ahlul-dhikri inkuntum t’alamoon”
I sincerily urge you to reconsider this approach
then you said
“Because these are the same scholars who don’t advise the Saudi government as they should”
1. they do. but it is not your duty or anyone elses to know about it. sedition is not part of Islam
2. Since i know specifically that the scholars do advice the rulers, and yet you and people like you claim otherwise, then this problem only stems from two errornous views
A. just because you don’t see it done or
B. just because the rulers are not acting in totality upon scholarly advice
to the first, i say, that your not suppose to see it because Islam did not grant you, or anyone else that right ,and it granted the right of the umara to receive their councel in private.
to the second view, even if they give advice, the duty of the sholars is like that of anyone else including the prophet “inamal-alaikal balaagh, wa ‘alainal-hisaab” i.e. “upon you is to announce, and upon Us is the reckoning.” If the haakim rejects what is given to them, their rejection does not entail that we are given the right to cease alliegience to them as long as they implement the salaah and establish Islam
you said
“And I’m going to say this, though I know it’s going to cause great fitna. I swear some of those scholars had a problem when Abu Muslimah came on the scene. That brother graduated from Rutgers, went overseas, studied (didn’t drop out either), came back here and was like “Let the Sunnah go forth and don’t oppose with opinion” when he came back. That’s right, my brothers was rocking the crisp thoubs, the long beards and yes, it was an African American brother. I swear in my heart I really believe they want the control of Islam to be in Saudi. They had a problem with that brother “coming up”. ”
actually, you are way out wrong
those scoundrals who tried to target him and blast him were non other than american juhaal, like Abu Hasan Maalik, Dawud Adib, Abu Zainab Tawfiq. The did the same with Abu Usamah adh-Dhahabee. it isn’t a saudi thang, its a nigga thang. Im sorry to say it, but thats what happened. it was these scoundrals, and abu khadijah, who caused this “salai burnout” as this blog puts it and it was them who took out my dear brother Abu Muslimah hafidhahullah. I agree, he was the man, but it wasn;t the arabs who took him out, it was these misfits who were jeouslous that he could rock the mic like that and like abu usamah.
lastly, i ask you sista
you are attacing salafiyya, whcih figuratively speakin, your talking about Islam, in negative tones, over the actions of scoundrals. this same mentality is inherent in the kuffar who in the pin pointing of idiot muslims, decide to demonize Islam in the process. I ask you reconsider this appraoch of yours and realize that salafiyya is in one valley, and these scoundrals is in another valley.
asalamu alaikum
i agree with samer al-canadie
being salafi is that you actually be salafi, meaning salafi in akhlaaq as well. and not merely calling yourself one. And thats the fatal difference betee nthe salafis everywhere on the plaent, and the western gansgsta style hizbis that was promoted by the philadelphian crew whcih spread here and there in little pockets of other cities. overall. the salafis in general and the scholars do not act in the spirit of those who made this brother’s life a tragedy
salaamu ‘laikum
akhee i know in a way how you feel, keep strong. Allah will reward you for your sabr.
keep your head up akhee!!!
wa salaamu ‘laikum
As Asalaamu Alaykum,
@al-boriqee
You infer that you’re versed in the actual historical and or biographical data of the acendantcy of the al-Saudi polity while I am not.
Without cut & pasting, I will support with facts that you yourself can go check and if any of it is incorrect then I will gladly re-cant. before I begin let me point out having had my own personal expriences with the unlearned from amongst the sufis I can understand the need for tajdid when some of them go to extremes and I can see how the ignorant ass bedouins needed to be checked yet the correction for that is not a more extreme response the other way.
First off the “documented” history of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhad is just as magical and often conflictual as some I’ve heard from the sufi Shaykhs. Yet all the stories have similar themes the great spiritual leader displays extraordinary intelligence as a child, becomes renowned for his knowledge and lastly makes truthful prophesies.
And ibn Abdul-Wahhab fits this same mode example he was supposed to have memorised Quran by age 10 then by 12 being married and appointed Imam due his knowledge, also he is said to have made hajj and begun traveling to seek knowledge by his early 20’s. Yet all this he is to have achived without a nary of employement or skills trade. How did he provide for himself? How did he provide for his family? What provisions did he provide when he went to hajj at 12? Then after years of traveling ibn Abdul-Wahhab “self-teaches” himself about the positions of ibn Tamiyya. Finally when he’s about 40 yrs old or so when he meets beneviolent Amir/Imam of al-Uyaynah and marries the Amir’s sister he promises the Amir if that any Amir protects him and join him, that Amir’s domains will increase. well that falls though then ibn Abdul-Wahhab goes to al-Diriyyah which was under Amir Muhammad ibn Saud.
Usually when a reformer comes to an area and began to “reform” the people, the rulers get upset with them because it is the rulers who benefit from the status quo. Yet in each city he goes, he’s welcomed by the rulers first… hmmm
NOW, I will explain my position on why Wahhabi methodology is used by the al-Suad to keep the people in check. First in return for his protection ibn Saud made ibn Abdul-Wahhab promise to stay in Diriyyah (even though there are numerous hadith about scholars not remaining close to rulers) and secondly ibn Abdul-Wahhab aquisesed to allowing ibn Saud to continue his Islamically unsactioned action of taxing the harvest of the Muslims. And during this time ibn Abdul-Wahhab declared that the majority of the people of the Nejid were upon shirk thus providing the justification for ibn Saud to expand his control by taking the land and money of other Muslims in the Nejid.
@al-boriqee How can you dispute the facts above?
Thus the first Saudi polity as well as the subsequent are based in part upon the precedents of the aquiescence of Wahhabis to the al-Saud and the pronoucment of shirk upon other Muslims.
Furthermore the Wahhabis would shamlessly support which ever al-Saud came to power, no matter how they came to power whether murder or otherwise. Now had ibn Abdul-Wahhab remained loyal to the dawah he professed and applied his rulings to all Muslims by insisting ibn Saud cease the unIsamic taxiation, nor had he provided ibn Saud with the justification to plunder the wealth of Muslims, we would not even be discussing Wahhabism.
i will inshallah address your rather mudtarib view of what happened. in due time, i will not be able to do so for a week goin outa town
as salaamu alaykum,
May Allah ta ala guide you and protect you akhi. Not only did I spend the last 27 years witnessing the many changes the the (so called) Salafi da’wa has gone through, I spent the previous eleven and a half years in the Ansar cult so I got a double wammy. The best advice I can give you is not to let it make you bitter. Know that what you experienced is NOT Islam but the failings of man seeking to be something that he is not (Important). The Salafi cult is the same as any other cult people striving to stay in power by imposing their will over others, and this allows them to get a pay check at the end of the day.
Let’s be serious thats what it is all about, if I can have power and control over your life then I can get paid by keeping you ignorant and relieing on me. I can sell you tapes, give lectures, etc and make even more money. Some of the brothers and so called leaders of the Salafis in America are very shrewd and have full knowledge of what they are diong while others are just cannon fodder being lead astray.
I could write a book on the many things and changes I have gone through seeking Islam. The one thing I always thank Allah ta ala for is the fact that through it all I never turned my back on Allah, and whatever people did to me it hasen’t made me bitter. I know so many people who’s harts have hardened as a result of the abuse they have suffered at the hands of so called leaders and groups.
Know this akhi that the Minhaj of the Salaf is undeniably the correct minhaj, however the madness that you have suffered is the doings of men and it has nothing to do with this beautiful message that Allah ta ala has reveiled. Take the good wherever you find it and leave the bad wherever you find it, and don’t let mans actions lead you astray from the true message of Islam, i.e., the minhaj of the salaf as salli.
was salaamu alaykum
As Salaamu Alaykum
@Saadik Al Ah-mary
Allow me to say that although I respect you an Elder it is the lack of speaking up from brothers such yourself that saddens me. You all know what happened yet refuse provide warnings to those who are coming after you such as myself (late 30’s) and those younger. You all know that the Saudi, through the Rabita and other organizations, sent certain Imams (I am not going to use names, particularly Africans initially) to come here and break up the unity among indigenous Muslims or in somes cases used free hajj trips, free scholarships, stipends and the promise of more fundings to encourage brothers to split from each other.
Again how much fitna was brought to us because of these so-called “Salafi” and others waving money and scholarships in front of the brothers or romantisizing jihad? Yet instead of funding the “hood-based” Masjids or building Masajids for inner-city as promised, the helped build the huge suburban Masajid only giving a few token dollars to the inner-city. Not saying that they should have taken care of brothers, Saudi promises or expectations helped to create fissures in our burgening communities.
The pimping through tapes only occured after the Saudis failed on their promises.
For examples in the late 60’s and early 70’s the Saudis were courting the brothers not afflitated with the “noi” , then after 75′ they placed those brothers as a lower priority and they started trying to woo Imam WD communities, with “Imam training” boondagles. During this wooing Imam Wallace became Imam Warith-deen while still being honored by the head Salafi, then when the Saudis realize he couldn’t be brought they began to allow subordinates and sarrogates to attack him.
While I do not endorse all of Imam WD postions, I do respect that he never allowed himself or community to give away their autonomy.
Thus they were able to undermined the then current Amir/Imams under the pretense of ahla bidah, then later to further keep their newly formed caste in place they even undermined the establishment of a “Salafi” Amir, damn, not even an indigenous Imam who graduated (not a drop out) from their own school was deemed worthy to be appointed Amir over his own people.
Thus a people, coming from past slavery and basically recent aparthied, were being mentally colonized yet again all with approval of the very brothers who were supposed to be helping the people.
And then even sadder, since out of respect I’m not going to name, names other Muslims will think what I’m writing is simply an attack from the “people of bida” . Admittedly, I may be a little off on a few details since I wasn’t actually there, but YOU brothers know, yet wont set the record straight.
Irony is that the Saudis allowed their subordinates to put out tracks to warn against York (rightfully so), yet now a “Salafi” Imam turns Masjid office to a “green room” (some of the elders know what I’m talking about) and nothing is said. Respectfully my beloved elder while many of you did a lot to establish the deen in this land, you all also owe more than to allow this cultish behavior to run amuck unchecked by the elders.
As Salaamu Alaykum
@al-boriqee
While you are addresing my so called “rather mudtarib view” of the those events can you also explain / address the contradictory nature of the letters that were published by the Imam Muhammad ibn Saud University, in which Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab, claims many of the declarations of kufr and shirk upon the Muslims attributed to him, should in fact be attributed to Sulaiman ibn Suhaim, yet these same positions of declarations of kufr and shirk upon the Muslims are still being expoused by Salafi today?
And I am still waiting for you or any “Salafi” to provide permissability for Salafis to visit the Catholic Pope embracing him and sitting with him and bringing him expensive gifts to show honor all in order to discuss religious inter-faith cooperation?
And also I’m still waiting for you to provide the proof that it is permissable under the aupices of “muslaha” for a “Salafi” to sit with people of bida (using the Salafi’s definition) such as Ashari, Sufi, Shia and to unite with on the basis of this muslaha as your King Abdullah has openly done with the encouragement of the Mufti Abdul-Azziz, again all to discuss religious inter-faith cooperation?
On second thought don’t rack your brain too hard, that “red pill” can be hard to swallow.
MashaAllah I do believe that one day we indigenous Muslims will get to the pristine unadulturated minhaj of the Salaf and at that time we wont be rule by outsiders and we will simply call ourselves Muslims just as they did, yet we will still maintain our cultural stamp. InshaAllah
Asalamu alyakum,
I have read all posted comments, and I must say, there are so many ignorant people out there its not funny. Let us look at the main issue here, and that is knowledge. Its the lack of correct knowledge in our religion that has started this entire issue. Please spare some time to read below, and I promise you will learn enough to protect you in future against any sect that has swayed away from truth, but still call themselves Muslims. Defend yourself with knowledge. Below are not my exact words, although this is what we teach and portray. So if your a Wahabi, please read and enter the right path. And if your a true Muslims, then read to expand your knowledge. Hey Wahabies, I say do not let your teacher continue to brainwash you into their corrupt ways. Do you ever wonder how a person can worship and cow and not be smart enough to realise how stupid it is? Well allot of the students get brainwashed into these beliefs, and thats how I look at the Wahabi sect. We protect Islam, and will always do so until they day we die. If you get thoughts in your mind that what your Shayk teaches you is wrong and the other people you call blasphemers are actually right, do not nudge this of as wiswas, its in fact you common sense crying out for help. Yes your Shayk will tell you its wiswas, but budy its not. Jump on board immediately. Read below.
THE PROOF THAT THE CREATOR
OF EVERYTHING DOES NOT
RESEMBLE THE CREATIONS
All praise & thanks is due to Allah, the Lord of the universe. We ask Allah to raise the rank of Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessing be upon him), & to protect his nation from that which the Prophet himself fears for it. May Allah grant us sincere intentions & proper comprehension & make us among those who acquire the correct knowledge, sincerely implement it & guide others to that knowledge.
An object has a boundary & a size. An example, the sun has a boundary & a size & the Creator is the One who created it with that boundary & size. In the Holy Qur’an, chapter 13: verse 8:
} وَكُلُّ شَىْءٍ عِندَهُ بِمِقْدَارٍ { ] سورة: الرّعد [
Means: Allah created everything with a specific size. Also, in the Holy Qur'an, chapter 39: verse 62:
} اللَّهُ خَالِقُ كُلِّ شَىْ ءٍ { ] سورة: الزُّمَر [
Means: Allah created everything. It is Allah who created the objects & the Creator of objects is not an object, size, form or shape. In the Holy Qur'an, chapter 42: verse 11:
} لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَىْ ءٌ { ] سورة: الشّورى [
Means: Absolutely nothing like Allah in any way whatsoever.
Allah created two types of objects; objects we can grab (tangible), such as a rock or a tree & objects we cannot grab (intangible), such as light or the soul. All the creations come under these two categories. Allah does not resemble the objects that are tangible & the objects that are intangible. One who resembles something cannot create. For example, the sun is similar to the moon, both are objects & creations. It’s not right nor is it logical to say the sun created the moon or the moon created the sun. Also we do not say that the sun created humans or humans created the sun. This is because the creation cannot create. However, Allah who does not resemble the creations, it is He[1] who only has the attribute of creating (bringing things from a state of non-existence, into a state of existence). Allah does not resemble anything we see in the universe or anything that we can imagine, because our sights & imaginations are part of the creations & are created by Allah.
[1] The words ‘He’, ‘His’ & ‘Him’ when used in reference to Allah must not be understood to refer to gender, because the wording is the same. However, the meaning is different. Allah created males & females & is not similar to any of the creations whatsoever.
It is Allah who created everything & He does not resemble anything whatsoever & this is also easy to understand & accept. Humans have limits; they cannot always do what they want to do. Allah is not like humans. Allah is not something invisible, because invisible is a created thing. Air is something created, but it is invisible to us. Allah is not a light, either a white light or a yellow light. Allah created the light. Light can be stopped by putting a dense solid object in front of its source. Allah is not air. Air has a volume & needs space. Both light & air occupy a space & Allah does not occupy a space, because space is contained in the six primary directions. Space is a creation & Allah is not in need of space, because He existed eternally before space & time were created. The Creator of space is not designated with space & the Creator of time is not bound to time. Allah is not a colour. Colour is one of the creations of Allah. Allah is not a spirit. Spirit is found in humans & in animals & Allah does not resemble humans or animals. Allah is not an energy, gas, liquid or a solid.
Every Muslim must know that our Lord has no shape or form. Shapes & forms are described with how questions & how questions do not apply to Allah. Muslims believe & say: “Allah exists without a how”. (How?) is a word used only to describe what is created, everything other than Allah is attributed with a how manner. How is a question related to shapes, bodies, places, depth, height, width & dimensions. Therefore, know beyond a doubt that the question ‘how’ (kayf كَيَّفَ ) does not apply to Allah. Imam Aliyy ibn abi Talib was once approached by a group of people who asked him: “How is Allah”. Imam Aliyy ibn abi Talib answered them by saying:
ذَكَرَ السُّيوطِيُّ في تارِيخِ الْخُلَفاء : أَنَّ قَوْماً سَأَلُوا سَيِّدَنا عَلِيَّ بْنِ أَبي طالِبٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ كَيْفَ اللَّه؟
َقالَ سَيِّدُنا عَلِيُّ بْن أَبِي طالِبٍ : هُوَ الَّذِي كَيَّفَ الْكَيْف فََََلا يُقالُ كَيْف.
Means: Allah created what is described with a how. So the word ‘how’ does not apply to Allah. Hence, the statement: “No one knows how Allah is”, must never be said. This is because the one who attributes how to Allah is like one is implying Allah is a creation, but is ignorant of the how manner of it. Allah is the Creator of all that is attributed with how, the manner of being (i.e. all things which make up the creations). Remember, when one asks the question how, the answer would be like this or like that. Everything other than Allah is a creation. So for one to say: “Like this or like that”, it would mean like this or like that created thing & Allah does not resemble any of the creations. Also, it is not permissible & blasphemous to say: “Where is Allah (i.e. location)”, because it is like one is implying that Allah is in a place & as we have explained previously, Allah exists without a place.
In the book Ar-Risalah Al-Qushayriyyah by Abul-Qasim al-Qushayriyy, Imam ^Aliyy ibn abi Talib said:
الإم عَلِيَّ بْنِ أَبي طالِبٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قالَ : لا يقال أين لمن أيّن الأين.
Means: The question of ‘where’ (i.e. location) does not apply to the One who created the whereabouts. Imam abu Hanifah, in his book Al-Fiqh Al-Absat said:
نَقَلَ الإِمامُ أَبُو مَنْصُورٍ الْمَاتُرِيدِيُّ في شَرْحِهِ عَلى الْفِقْهِ الأَكْبَرِ أَنَّ الإِمامَ أَبا حَنِيفَةَ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قالَ : كان قبل المكان، كان ولم يكن أين ولا خلق وهو خالق كل شىء.
Means: Allah existed eternally & there was no place. He existed before creating the creation. He existed, & there was no place, creation, or thing. He is the Creator of everything. Also in the same book Al-Fiqh Al-Absat, Imam abu Hanifah said:
الإِمامَ أَبا حَنِيفَةَ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قالَ : مَنْ قالَ لا أَعْرِفُ اللَّهَ أَفي السَّماءِ هُوَ أَمْ في الأَرْضِ فَقَدْ كَفَر. لأَنَّ هَذا الْقَوْلَ يُوهِمُ أَنَّ لِلَّهِ مَكاناً، وَمَنْ تَوَهَّمَ أَنَّ لِلَّهِ مَكاناً فَهْوَ مُشَبِّهٌ.
Means: Whoever says: “I don’t know if Allah is in the Heavens or on earth”, commits blasphemy. This is because they imagined Allah in some place & whoever imagines Allah in a place, is a person who likens Allah to the creations. It is also blasphemous to believe or say: “No one knows Allah‘s place except Allah” or “We don’t know how Allah‘s place is”. These two phrases are also attributing Allah with a place.
Our existence is in a place & Allah’s existence is not in or on a place & if Satan or a devil whispers to you & says: “How can Allah exist without a place?” Just remember this example. There was once no darkness & no light created. In the Holy Qur’an, chapter 6: verse 1:
} وَجَعَلَ الظُّلُمَاتِ وَالنُّورَ { ] سورة :الأنعَام [
Means: Allah created the darkness & the light. Since the human mind is limited to what it can imagine, so is it possible to imagine how it would have been before Allah created the darkness & the light? The answer is "No". The same judgement applies to the human soul. We as humans are ignorant of the how manner of our soul in our own body. Then how dare some people who have that nerve to come to a conclusion & say: "How is Allah", when Allah exists without a how & without a place. Therefore, as the mind determines that Allah existed without a place before creating the places, the mind also determines that after Allah created all the places, He still exists without a place. The Creator of all things that change, He (Allah) does not change. A Muslim scholar who is well known for being very God fearing, by the name of Ahmad ar-Rifa^iyy al-Kabir said a wonderful statement:
قالَ الشَّيْخُ أَحْمَدُ الرِّفاعِيُّ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ : غَايَةُ المَعْرِفَةِ بِاللَّهِ الإِيقَانُ بِوُجُودِهِ تَعَالَى بِلا كَيْفٍ وَلا مَكَانٍ.
Means: The ultimate knowledge about Allah is to be certain that Allah exists without a how & without a place.The belief that Allah exists without a place is the creed of the Messenger of Allah (peace & blessing be upon him), the Companions & those who graciously followed them & it shall be till the Day of Judgment. The proof of this precious statement is what is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an, chapter 42: verse 11:
} لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَىْ ءٌ { ] سورة: الشّورى [
Means: Absolutely nothing like Allah in any way whatsoever. This is the clearest verse in the whole entire Qur’an that when it’s recited, its meaning is very clear that Allah is absolutely & totally clear from resembling the creations in everyway. Hence, it shows that Allah exists without a place, because whatever exists in a place would be made up of particles (i.e. it would be a body occupying a space) & the Creator is not a body that occupies a space. The words body, place & space means: That which has depth, height & width. What has depth, height & width is a creation beyond any doubt. Imam Ja^far as-Sadiq who is among the Salaf said:
قالَ الإِمامُ جَعْفَرُ الصَّادِقُ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ : مَنْ زَعَمَ أَنَّ اللَّهَ في شَيْءٍ أَوْ عَلَى شَيْءٍ أَوْ مِنْ شَيْءٍ فَقَدْ أََشْرَكَ إِذْ لَوْ كانَ في شَيْءٍ لَكانَ مَحْصُورًا أَوْ عَلَى شَيْءٍ لَكانَ مَحْمولاً وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ شَيْءٍ لَكانَ مُحْدَثاً أَيْ مَخْلُوقاً.
Means: The one, who claims that Allah is in something or on something or from something, commits shirk[2]. This is because if Allah was in something, He would be contained. If Allah was on something, He would be carried. If Allah was from something, He would be a creature. The one who worships what is in, on or from something is wrongly worshipping other than the Creator.
[2] Associating partners to Allah or in another phrase, worshipping other than Allah, which is blasphemy.
Explanation of the word ta^ala تَعَالىَ when saying Allah ta^ala means: Allah is absolutely & totally clear of all non-befitting attributes that the blasphemers attribute to Him. Allah is not attributed with attributes of the creation, like bodily attributes, colours, shapes, movements, stillness, suspending, sitting, resting, climbing & any other attributes of the creations. This is why the people of Truth (Ahlussunnah wal-Jamma^ah) say: “Allah exists without a place”, because the one who exists in a place must have a limit & anything that has a limit is a creation & is also in need of the one who specified it with that limit. Furthermore, whatever is in need, certainly is not the Creator. This is the proof why Allah is clear of existing in any place or direction. We do not say that Allah exists in the direction of above. We do not say that Allah exists in all places, or everywhere. Rather, Allah exists & He does not resemble other things that exist. Hence, Allah exists without a place.
Very Important Note: When we as Muslims believe & say that Allah exists without a how, without a place & without a direction; these phrases do not imply that Allah does not exist. Allah exists without a doubt. However, Allah’s existence does not resemble other things that exist & Muslims submit to this without any doubt whatsoever.
The followers of Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah (b.664 d.729AH, 1263/1328) & Muhammad ibn ^Abdil-Wahhab (b.1117 d.1206AH, 1703/1792) are among the group of the mushabbihah (the Arabic word for those who liken the Creator to the creations) & their followers today are known as Wahabies.
O people be alert & don’t be mislead by those mushabbihah who have been lead astray from the path of Islam in relation to what’s above the ^Arsh (the Throne; ceiling of Paradise). They believe & say Allah exists above the ^Arsh & they (the mushabbihah) also claim Allah is sitting on the ^Arsh. This belief & statement is clear blasphemy. Did mushabbihah forget that above is a direction & what has a direction is a place? Imam abu Ja^far At-Tahawi (b.229 d.321AH, 828/920) in his book: Al-^Aqidah At-Tahawiyyah statement #37 said:
قالَ الإِمامُ أَبُو جَعْفََََََرٍ الطَحاوِيُّ رَحْمَةُ اللَّهِ عَلَيْهِ في بَيانِ عَقِيدَةِ أَهْلِ السُّنَّةِ وَالْجَماعَةِ :
تَعَالى عَنِ الْحُدُودِ والغَاياتِ والأَرْ كانِ والأَعْضَاءِ والأَدَوات. لا تَحْوِيهِ الْجِهَاتُ السِّتُّ كَسَائِرِ الْمُبْتَدَعاتِ.
Means: Allah is absolutely clear of all boundaries, ends, sides, large organs & small organs. The six directions do not contain Allah, for these are attributed to all created things. The six directions are (above, below, in front, behind, right & left). These six primary directions which are created by Allah contain only the created things. Imam abu Ja^far at-Tahawi who is among the Salaf, openly stated that Allah is clear of being contained by the six directions. Imam abu Hanifah (b.80 d.150AH, 679/749) who was also among the Salaf, in his book Al-Wasiyyah, said:
قَالَ الإمامُ أبو حنيفَةَ رضي اللَّه عنه في الوصيَّة : نُقِرُّ بأنَّ اللَّهَ تعالى اسْتَوَى على العَرشِ مِن غيرِ أنْ يكونَ له حاجةٌ واستِقرارٌ عليه، وهو حافظُ العرشِ وغيرِ العرشِ مِن غيرِ احْتِياجٍ ولو كان محتاجاً لمَاَ قدر على إيجادِ العالم وتدبيرِه كالمخلوقين ولو كان مُحْتاجاً لِلجلوسِ والاستقرار فقَبْلَ خلقِ العرشِ أين كان اللَّه؟ تعالى عَ نْ ذلك عُلُوّاً كَبيرّاً.
Means: Allah is the maintainer of the ^Arsh & everything else. Allah is not in need of anything. For had Allah been in need, He would not have the power to create, control & maintain the world. Furthermore, had He been in a place needing to sit & rest, before creating the ^Arsh, where was Allah? That is, the question: “Where was Allah”, would have applied to Him, which is impossible. Keep in mind that those mushabbihah who say Allah exists in the upper direction & is sitting above the ^Arsh, are claiming that the directions & the ^Arsh are eternal entities (i.e. an existence without a beginning)! Here they have belied a verse in the Holy Qur’an, chapter 57: verse 3:
} هُوَ الأَوَّلُ { ] سورة :الْحَديد [
Means: He is the First.
Explanation: Allah is only One Whose existence is eternal without a beginning. Remember, the Creator means: The One who brings everything from the state of non-existence into the state of existence. In the Holy Qur'an, chapter 39: verse 62:
} اللَّهُ خَالِقُ كُلِّ شَىْ ءٍ { ] سورة: الزُّمَر [
Means: Allah created everything. None of the creations came into existence except by the creating of Allah & that includes all the directions & the ^Arsh. Allah exists without a beginning & everything else exists with a beginning. Allah is the Creator & everything else is a creation. Nothing is eternal without a beginning except Allah. This matter is among the fundamentals of the Muslim’s belief system. Anyone who believes otherwise is not a Muslim. Al-Bukhaiyy, Al-Bayhaqiyy & Ibnul-Jarud related that the Messenger of Allah, Muhammad (peace & blessing be upon him) said:
(( كَانَ اللَّهُ وَلَمْ يَكُنْ شَىْ ءٌ غَيْرُهُ )) رَوَاهُ البُخارِيُّ في الصَّحِيحِ وَالبَيْهَقِيُّ في الأَسْماءِ وَالصِّفاتِ وَابْنِ الجارُود في المُنْتَقَى.
Means: Allah existed eternally & nothing else existed. Imam abu Mansur Al-baghdadiyy, who is a reliable scholar in Islam, in his book Al-Farqu Baynal-Firaq, that Imam ^Aliyy ibn abi Talib, the fourth of the caliphs (i.e. fourth leader of the Islamic nation) said:
قالَ الإِمامُ أَبو مَنْصُورٍ البَغْدادِيُّ في كِتابِهِ ( الفَرْقُ بَيْنَ الفِرَقِ ) أَنَّ الإِمامَ عَلِيَّ بْن أَبِى طالِبٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قالَ :
كانَ اللَّهُ وَلا مَكان، وَهُوَ الآنَ عَلَى ما عَلَيهِ كانَ.
Means: Allah existed eternally & there weren’t any places created & after He created all the places, He is now as He was without a place.
The Wahabies (those who liken the Creator to the creation), share the same belief as the Christians & Jews. It is mentioned in what is called the Old Testament (the Bible) in Genesis chapter 2:2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. This is clear blasphemy. Now, back to the Wahabies, it is mentioned in their book Majmoo Al-Fatawah 4th book, p/374 that Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah who the Wahabies call their Imam (leader) & the master of Islam, said: Allah seats Muhammad on the chair with Him. These beliefs & statements are clear blasphemy & not Islam, because we all know that resting (as the Christians & Jews claim) or sitting (as the Wahabies claim) no matter how, would be a body with parts that fold & bend, which in itself is a created thing & the Creator does not resemble any created thing. Humans & animals sit. In the Holy Qur'an, chapter 112: verse 4:
} وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ, كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ { ] سورة : الإخلاص [
Means: Nothing is similar to Allah. What sits must need a platform & what’s on a platform is in a direction & place. Furthermore, when they claim that Allah is in the upper direction & is sitting above the ^Arsh, they are attributing a weakness to Allah by claiming Allah rested! Remember, what sits is in need of rest & what rests, is weak. In the Holy Qur’an, chapter: 50 verse: 38:
} وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا السَّمَوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَمَا مَسَّنَا مِن لُّغُوبٍ { ] سورة : ق [
Means: Allah created the Heavens, earth & all what is in between them in six days & He is not in need of any rest. Allah who knows all things & knows best, created the Heavens, earth & all what is in between them in six days with wisdom so we can learn to be patient in our lifetime. Keep in mind, the Creator has the Power to create the Heavens, earth & all what is in between them in one moment if He willed it to be.
The fact that two directions above & below are impossible to be attributes of Allah, does not necessitate that Allah would not be attributed with aboveness, because attributing aboveness to Allah is matter of status & the impossibility lies in it being physical. Allah is above the ^Arsh & above the skies & above everything in status with an aboveness that does not give Him closeness to the ^Arsh or the skies, as it does not give Him farness from earth. He is higher in status than the ^Arsh & the skies, as He is higher in status than earth & the rest of the creation. Allahu Akbar means: Allah is the highest in status.
It is clear for the one who seeks the truth that the sayings about the correct belief in Allah show that attributing a physical aboveness & place to Allah is belying the Holy Qur’an, the Hadiths (sayings of the Prophet), the mainstream Islamic schools & the intellectual proof. The intellectual proof that Allah exists without a place, lies in the fact that God has the attributes of perfection. Needing others is not an attribute of perfection. The one who occupies place needs that place & the one who needs others (whether it is a place or any other creation) is not God. The Creator of all places exists without a place.
What has so far been explained about the Creator, the sound mind accepts it. If one’s imagination pictures something, that particular thing is not the Creator of all things. Humans can only imagine the things which he/she is familiar with & that which is a created thing. However, when Allah the Creator is remembered in the heart or is mentioned by the tongue, firmly know & believe that He does not resemble the creations whatsoever. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal who was among the Salaf (b.163 d.241AH, 762/840) said:
الإمامُ أحمدُ أَبِى حَمبَا رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قالَ : مَهْمَا تَصَوَّرْتَ بِبَالِكَ فَاللَّهُ بِخِلافِ ذَلِكَ.
Means: Whatever you picture in the mind, Allah does not resemble that at all. Whatever one imagines or pictures in the mind is a creation of Allah & Allah does not resemble any of the creations whatsoever. Imam ash-Shafi’i who was among the Salaf (b.150 d.204AH, 749/803) said:
رَوَى البَيْهَقِيُّ عَنِ الإِمامِ الشَّافِعِيِّ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ أَنَّهُ قالَ : مَنْ انْتَهَضَ لِمَعْرِفَةِ مُدَبِّرِهِِ فَاطْمَأَنَّ إِلى مَوْجُودٍ يَنْتَهِي إِلَيْهِ فِكْرُهُ فَهْوَ مُشَبِّهٌ، وَإِنْ اطْمَأَنَّ إِلى الْعَدَمِ الصِّرْفِ فَهُوَ مُعَطِّلٌ، وَإِنْ اطْمَأَنَّ إِلى مَوْجُودٍ وَاعْتَرَفَ بِالعَجْزِ عَنْ إِدْراكِهِ فَهُوَ مُوَحِّدٌ.
Means: Whoever seeks to know his Creator & concludes that the Creator is something that exists which one’s mind can imagine, then is a person who likens Allah to the creations. If one concludes pure non-existence, then one is an Atheist. Where as if one concludes that Allah exists & admits that whatever his mind imagines, Allah does not resemble that at all. This person is a Muslim practicing Tawhid[3]. Imam al-Junayd Al-baghdadiyy said:
الإم الجنيدُ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قالَ : هو إفراد القديم من المحدَث.
Means: Tawhid is differentiating the eternal (Allah) from the created. Allah is eternal, meaning His existence is without a beginning; whereas, the created exists with a beginning. Therefore, the proper believer does not deny the existence of Allah & does not liken Allah to the creations; the believer is in the middle of these two non-believers.
[3] Tawhid (Uniqueness of Allah) means the belief that Allah is the only God who does not resemble any of the creations.
The Conclusion: Those who liken Allah to His creations are judged as kufar (blasphemers). This is because these people do not have the correct knowledge & belief about their Creator & there is no difference between them & the idol worshippers. The idol worshipper worship a picture he has drawn or has sculptured with his own hands & the one who likens Allah to any of the creations, worships a picture he imagined in his mind, which is not the Creator. Idol worshippers & picture imagined in the mind worshippers, both are judged in Islam as shirk. The Prophet (peace & blessing be upon him), was asked: “What is the most enormous sin?” The Prophet replied:
سُئل النبي صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّم أي الذنوب أعظم؟ قال : (( أن تجعل للَّه نِدّا وهو خلقك )) رَوَاهُ البخاري وغيره.
Means: To attribute partners with Allah (shirk), the One Who created you. The true believer worships Allah to whom there is none similar. The fundamental mistake that those who compare the Incomparable (Allah) to the creations, they apply the logic of bodies to the Creator of bodies. Imam abu Ja^far At-Tahawi, in his book: Al-^Aqidah At-Tahawiyyah statement #32 said:
قالَ الإِمامُ أَبُو جَعْفََََََرٍ الطَحاوِيُّ رَحْمَةُ اللَّهِ عَلَيْهِ في بَيانِ عَقِيدَةِ أَهْلِ السُّنَّةِ وَالْجَماعَةِ : وَمَنْ وَصَفَ اللَّهَ بِمعنًى مِنْ مَعانِى البَشَرِ فَقَدْ كَفَرَ. فَمَنْ أَبْصَر هَذَا اعتَبَرَ، وَعَنْ مِثْلِ قَوْلِ الكُفَّار انْزَجرَ، وَعَلِمَ أنَّهُ بِصِفَاتِهِ لَيْسَ كَالبَشَرِ.
Means: The one who attributes to Allah any human characteristic is a blasphemer. Hence, he who looks thoroughly into this takes warning & refrains from the sayings of the blasphemers & knows that Allah, having His Attributes, does not resemble mankind. The attributes of mankind that Imam abu Ja^far At-Tahawi meant, are bodily attributes, colours, shapes, movements, stillness, suspending, sitting, resting, sleeping & any other attributes of the creations. In the Holy Qur’an, chapter 16: verse 74:
} فَلاَ تَضْرِبُواْ لِلَّهِ الأَمْثَالَ { ] سورة :النّحل [
Means: Do not attribute to Allah the attributes of His creations. May Allah protect our hearts & our tongues from falling into the trap of likening Allah to His creation.
As for those who say how do you call these Wahabies who have the wrong knowledge & belief about Allah, blasphemous when they say the testification of faith:
"No one is God except Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah"
The Messenger of Allah, Muhammad (peace & blessing be upon him) said:
(( إذا قَالَ الرَّجُلُ لأخيه يا كَافِرُ فَقَدْ بَاءَ بها أحَدُهُما. فإنْ كَانَ كما قال وإلا رَجَعَتْ عليه )) رَوَاهُ البُخارِ وغيره.
Means: If a person addresses his fellow Muslim by telling him, “You are a blasphemer,” then one of the two is a blasphemer. It is either that what the addresser said is true (i.e. he is judged in Islam as a blasphemer, because he either blasphemed due to a belief, saying or an action) or the addresser himself becomes a blasphemer (i.e. for calling a Muslim a blasphemer for no valid Islamic reason). The Islamic rule is when one says:
"No one is God except Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah"
& has the wrong knowledge & belief about Allah, is judged as a blasphemer. This is because one is contradicting the true meaning when saying the testification of faith. Allah is the name of God in Arabic & it’s blasphemous & non-befitting to attribute to Allah resemblance to the creation. Arabic speaking Christians say they believe in Allah. However, there knowledge & belief about Allah is blasphemous, because they attribute Jesus with Godhood, when Prophet Jesus is a creation created by Allah. So these mushabbihah don’t qualify to be Muslim in the first place, because of their wrong knowledge & belief about Allah. Hence, anyone who says the testification of faith & holds the wrong belief or says the wrong belief that is against Islam is not a Muslim, no matter how many times he/she says the testification of faith. In the Holy Qur’an, chapter 4: verse 48:
} إِنَّ اللَّهَ لاَ يَغْفِرُ أَن يُشْرَكَ بِهِ وَيَغْفِرُ مَا دُونَ ذَلِكَ لِمَن يَشَاء { ] سورة: النِّسَاء [
Means: Allah does not forgive shirk, & He forgives whatever is less than that for whomever He willed. Since likening Allah to the creations is a form of shirk & so this verse applies to the mushabbihah as well.
Important Note: One is not benefitted if one’s name is Muhammad or Ahmad or any other Islamic name when he/she has either blasphemed due to a belief, saying or an action. What is essential is the correct belief, sayings & actions that are in accordance within Islam that one firmly holds on to in this short journey in life. Imam Al-Ghazaliyy said:
الإمامُ الغزالي رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قالَ : لا تصح العبادةُ إلا بعدَ معرفةِ المعبود.
Means: Worship is valid only after one has correct knowledge & belief in the One Who deserves to be worshipped (Allah).
Not all the Muslims knew all the Qur’an before they died. It is not compulsory for all Muslims to know & understand the entire Qur’an to be a Muslim. Imam Al-Bukhaiyy related that the Prophet was asked about the best of the deeds & the Prophet (peace & blessing be upon him) replied:
(( أفْضلُ الأعْمالِ إِيمَانٌ بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ )) رَوَاهُ البُخَارِيّ.
Means: The best deed one can do is to have the proper belief about Allah & His Messenger. This is what Prophet Muhammad taught the people to believe in. One of the Companions of the Prophet said:
قال عن جندب بن عبد اللَّه رضي اللَّه عنه : كنا مع النبي صلى اللَّه عليه وسلم ونحن فتيان حزاورة فتعلمنا الإيمان قبل أن نتعلم القرآن فازددنا به إ يماناً. قال الإمام البوصيري في مصباح الزجاجة في زوائد ابن ماجة هذا إسناد صحيح رجاله ثقات. رَوَاهُ البيهقيُ في سننه من طريق الحسين بن حرث عن وكيع به. الحزور هو الفتى الذي قارب البلوغ.
Means: We were with the Messenger of Allah as young men; we learned the matters of belief, before we learned the Qur’an. Then we learnt the Qur’an, which increased our belief.
As humans we depend on observation & things which are detectable by our senses to learn about the world. For example, we observe that water boils at 100oC & it freezes at 0oC. However, we cannot know about Allah by this type of observation, because Allah is not like His creations & the rest of the things we observe are His creations. We know about Allah by knowing what befits Him & what does not befit Him. In other words we know about Allah by knowing:
a) What is permissible to attribute to Allah.
b) What is necessary to be of Allah’s attributes.
c) What is impossible to be of Allah’s attributes.
a) What is permissible to attribute to Allah: This refers to when we believe & say that Allah is the Creator, Who creates all things (the One Who brings things from a state of non-existence, into a state of existence). So when we say that Allah is the Creator, this is permissible & correct in attributing that to Allah. Likewise, when we believe & say that Allah is attributed with Power & Will.
b) What is necessary to be of Allah’s attributes: This refers to what the sound mind does not accept its non-existence. Allah is the One Whose existence is intellectually necessary, because the sound mind does not accept Allah to be non-existent, i.e. non-existence does not apply to Allah or His attributes. The Creator exists without a doubt.
c) What is impossible to be of Allah’s attributes: This refers to that which Allah is not attributed with attributes of the creation, like bodily attributes, colours, shapes, movements, stillness, suspending, sitting, resting, sleeping & any other attributes of the creations.
Ta’til (Atheism) means: Denying the existence of Allah & His attributes.
Tashbih (Likeness) means: Likening Allah to the creations.
Mujassim (Anthropomorphism) means: Attributing Allah with a body & its organs
Tanzih (Transcendence) means: Believing that Allah is clear of any resemblance to the creation & of any imperfection (non-befitting attributes). Tanzih is the foundation of the correct belief, & whoever fails to comprehend the Tanizh of Allah has no correct knowledge & belief about Allah.
Subhanahu means Tanzih, i.e. we declare that Allah is clear of all non-befitting attributes. It is recommended in the prayer, while in Ruku^ (bowing position), to say 3 times:
سُبحانَ رَبّىَِ العظيم
Subhana Rabbiyal ^Adhim
Means: We declare that Allah is clear of all non-befitting attributes & His my Great Lord. Also, it is recommended in the prayer, while in Sujud (prostration position), to say 3 times:
سُبحانَ رَبّىَِ الأعلَى
Subhana Rabbiyal A^la
Means: We declare that Allah is clear of all non-befitting attributes & His my Supreme Lord. Muslims are obligated to pray 5 times a day & look how many times Muslims say Tanzih everyday, 153 times a day (Allahu Akbar). Dammed are those who liken Allah to the creation. In short, the Wahabies (those who liken the Creator to the creation) are calling people of Islam to believe in the anthropomorphism of the Christians & Jews!
We do not under any circumstance indulge in thinking about the Self of Allah. The Self of Allah means the reality of Allah & the reality of Allah is not known except by Allah. As certain as we are about the existence of the universe, we are certain about the existence of its Creator, who is Allah (subhanahu wa ta^ala). However, that does not mean that we can imagine the reality of Allah. Allah the Creator is unimaginable. One must avoid imagining the reality of Allah, because it’s not conceivable by our minds & it’s blasphemous to do so. Abul-Qasim al-Ansariyy related that the Prophet (peace & blessing be upon him) said:
(( لاَ فِكْرَةَ فِي الرَّبِّ )) رَوَاهُ أبوُ القَاسِم الأ نْصَاريُّ.
Means: Do not attempt to imagine the Self of Allah. The greatest Companion & the best friend of Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessing be upon him), was Imam Abu Bakr as-Siddiq & he (Abu Bakr) said:
قال الإمام أبو بكر الصديق رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ : العَجْزُ عَنْ دَرَكِ الإِدْرَاكِ إِدْرَاكُ، وَالبَحْثُ عَنْ ذَاتِهِ كُفْرٌ وَإِشْرَاكُ.
رَوَاهُ الإمام الزَّرْكَشِي في كتاب تَشْنيف المَسامِع.
Means: The inability to realise the reality of Allah is the correct realisation. However, to try to imagine the reality of Allah is blasphemy & shirk. Hence, our inability to comprehend the reality of the existence of Allah does not impair our certainty about Allah’s existence. This is a very crucial point. The Wahabies strongly object to believing or saying: "If we clear Allah from existing in space, time, place, direction & having a body with parts & its organs, we will be denying His existence". That’s where they went astray from the path of Islam. The fact is we as Muslims know it’s not possible to comprehend Allah’s reality, while maintaining absolutely that Allah is the One Whose existence is intellectually necessary. The true believer worships Allah to whom there is none similar. In the Holy Qur'an, chapter 19: verse 65:
} هَلْ تَعْلَمُ لَهُ, سَمِيًّا { ] سورة : مريم [
Means: Do you know of anything which is similar to Allah? There is none.
Since we have determined that the Creed of the Muslims is that Allah exists without a place & direction & that the question how does not apply to Allah. Its clear to us that the ^Arsh, which is the largest of the creations & the ceiling of Paradise, is not a place for the Allah, the Exalted.
Very Important Note: When we as Muslims believe & say only Allah knows His reality, this does not mean only Allah knows how He is. The one who attributes ‘how’ to Allah is like one is implying Allah is a creation, but is ignorant of the how manner of it. Also, it is very important to understand one does not fall under the forbidden attempt to imagine the reality of Allah, when we believe with firm conviction or say that Allah does not resemble the creations & no place or direction contains Him.
Imam abu Ja^far At-Tahawi, in his book: Al-^Aqidah At-Tahawiyyah statement #34 said:
قالَ الإِمامُ أَبُو جَعْفََََََرٍ الطَحاوِيُّ رَحْمَةُ اللَّهِ عَلَيْهِ في بَيانِ عَقِيدَةِ أَهْلِ السُّنَّةِ وَالْجَماعَةِ : وَلاَ تَثْبُتُ قَدَمٌ فى الإِسْلاَمِ إلاَّ على ظَهْرِ التَّسْليمِ والاستِسْلاَم. فَمَنْ رَامَ عِلْْمَ مَا حُظِرَ عَنْهُ عِلْْمُهُ، وَلَمْ يَقْنَعْ بِالتَّسْلِيمِ فَهْمُهُ، حَجَبَهُ مَرَامُهُ عَنْ خَالِصِ التَّوْحِيدِ وَصَافِى المَعْرِفَةِ وَصَحِيحِ الإِيمانِ. فَيَتَذَبْذَبُ بَيْنَ الكُفْرِ وَالإِيمَانِ، وَالتَّصْدِيقِ وَالتَّكْذِيبِ، وَالإِقْرارَ وَالإِنْكارِ، مُوَسْوِسًا تائِهًا شاكًّا، لا مُؤمِنًا مُصَدّقًا وِلا جاحِدًا مُكَذّبًا.
Means: One is not at all a Muslim if he does not surrender & submit to Allah, by accepting the attributes that surely befit Him. So, whoever fails to do that & seeks the knowledge of what has been prevented from knowing & is not satisfied to leave it to the One (Allah) who knows it, prevents himself from clearing Allah from resemblance to the creation (Tawhid), pure knowledge & correct belief. Consequently, he sways between blasphemy & belief, acknowledgment with denial & acceptance with rejection. He will be subject to whispers, lost & doubtful, & is neither an accepting believer nor a rejecting disbeliever.
Explanation: One’s faith cannot be correct if he does not surrender & submit to Allah without any objection or attributes to Allah what does not befit Him, as we have previously mentioned throughout this topic. Hence, one must submit completely & accept whatever has been prevented from knowing. Again, an example is that the reality of Allah is not known except by Allah. Whoever tries to imagine Allah’s reality blasphemes for likening Allah to the creations, plus he is venturing into something impossible to imagine. Such a person is far from holding absolute Tawhid & having the pure knowledge & correct belief about Allah. Consequently, he believes in some of what the Prophet conveyed & disbelieves in other fundamental matters. In other words, he acknowledges the belief that Allah exists, however he denies the correct knowledge & belief about Allah (i.e. likens Allah to the creations). As a result, he’s lost with no correct foundation in belief, subject to whispers & at the same time he is not claiming to be like an outspoken blasphemer (i.e. he claims to be Muslim, but is not). Such a person is definitely a blasphemer. That’s what one encounters when one does not surrender to the Creator & attributes to Allah what does not befit Him. Therefore, the correct belief in Islam is not based on delusions that result from one’s own opinion of what is typical of the creation.
Imam Ahmad ar-Rifa^iyy al-Kabir said this wonderful statement:
قالَ الشَّيْخُ أَحْمَدُ الرِّفاعِيُّ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ : غَايَةُ المَعْرِفَةِ بِاللَّهِ الإِيقَانُ بِوُجُودِهِ تَعَالَى بِلا كَيْفٍ وَلا مَكَانٍ.
Means: The ultimate knowledge about Allah is to be certain that Allah exists without a how & without a place. The humans can only imagine what they are familiar with, which is a creation. We are encouraged to think about the creations of Allah. This will help increase our glorification to the Creator, Allah. In his book al-Asma’a was-Sifat, Imam al-Bayhaqiyy, narrated with a strong chain of narrators that the cousin of Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessing be upon him), whose name is Abdullah ibn Abbas (who was the Interpreter of the Qur’an) said:
قال ابن عباس رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ : تَفَكَّرُوا في خَلْقِ اللَّه وَلا تَفَكَّرُوا في ذَاتِ اللَّه. رَوَاهُ البيهقيُ.
Means: Think about the creations of Allah, but do not attempt to imagine the Self of Allah. A good example is the way a seed grows into a huge tree or how humans have different fingerprints & different voices to one another. This is truly fascinating to imagine.
There are times when we as Muslims may get uncontrolled thoughts (whispers). So it is important to know & not to confuse an actual belief in one’s heart, with a blasphemous thought that may cross one’s heart from time to time. Blasphemous thoughts can come to a believer against his/her will, because the whispers of the Jinn[4] can bring blasphemous thoughts into our hearts at times. Allah has no beginning to His existence, so He is not created. The Messenger of Allah has informed us the Jinn devils come to the believers in such a way. They say: “Allah created everything” (which is true). Then they set the trap to try to make one fall into blasphemy & they say: “Who created Allah”, (this is false). The Creator is not created, because Allah’s existence has no beginning. As you can see it is like these rejected devils are saying to the believers: “Who is the Lord of the Lord”. The devils can also bring other blasphemous thoughts to a believer, against Islam. So if a blasphemous thought should happen, we need to reject them from our hearts by not paying any attention to them & to say what the Prophet (peace & blessing be upon him), taught his nation to say:
(( ءامنتُ باللَّهِ عَزَّ وَجَلَ وبرُسُلِهِ ))
Means: I believe in Allah & His Messenger. As long as we ignore & hate in our hearts the blasphemous thoughts the Jinn devils bring on, then we are still Muslim. The Prophet said that when we hate & reject those blasphemous thoughts, that’s an indication of strong faith. However, if one doubts or believes in the blasphemous thoughts, then he/she commits blasphemy in the heart. Therefore, the devils often try to bring such thoughts to the Muslims. It is like a thief who comes to a house where it has gold & silver. He won’t come to a house where it’s empty. That is why the devils at times come to the Muslims to pass blasphemous thoughts, because the Muslims have the correct belief & the devil tries to take it away from them (O Allah keep us steadfast on the belief of Islam). So it is important that we recognize that there is a difference between blasphemous thoughts & a belief. In the Holy Qur’an, the last chapter 114, & the last two verses 5 & 6:
} الَّذِي يُوَسْوِسُ فِي صُدُورِ النَّاسِ * مِنَ الْجِنَّةِ وَ النَّاسِ { ] سورة : الناس [
Means: Who whispers in the hearts of the creations, * among the jinn kind & man kind.
[4] Jinns are a creation of Allah & were created from pure flame of fire. In the Holy Qur’an, chapter 55: verse 15:
} وَخَلَقَ الْجَـآنَّ مِن مَّارِجٍ مِّن نَّارٍ { ] سورة: الرَّحْمَنِ [
Means: Jinn were created from fire which does not produce any smoke. Iblis (satan) is the first Jinn & the father of all Jinn kind, just as Adam (peace & blessing be upon him) is the first human & the father of all human kind. Allah gave the Jinns the ability to change their real form from that which they are created in. Since the Jinns have the ability to change their real form, this means in their original form they are invisible to humans, because in the Holy Qur’an, chapter 7: verse 27:
} إِ نَّهُ, يَرَ نكُمْ هُوَ وَ قَبِيلُهُ, مِنْ حَيْثُ لاَ تَرَوْ نَهُمْ { ] سورة: الأعرَاف [
Means: Iblis (Satan) & his offspring’s see you, without you (humans) seeing them. Hence, if one were to see or has seen a Jinn, they are seeing them in some other form they change to, but not in their original form which they are created in. Jinns are not ghosts, spirits or aliens as some people claim. Jinns are just another creation of Allah & they exist here on earth with us. They generally speak the language of the country they live in & there are male & female Jinns, they eat, drink, marry & reproduce. Some Jinns are Muslim & are called Jinn Muslims & some are not. The ones who do not worship Allah are non-Muslims (blasphemers) who are known as devils & their head leader is Iblis (satan) the rejected. Iblis was not an Angel who blasphemed & from this he became the devil.
Sam that was one of the best Creed lessen i have read in simply English tongue.
Thank you very much. And “YES” knowledge of the CORRECT SUNNI CREED is the key to Paradise. Below is more knowledge to inlite the readed, about the human Devils that wear the cloths of the Prophets, however they are wolf’s in sheeps clothing. The Wahabies un-justly took Mecca & Al-Madiah buy killing the Muslims leaders & layman, around 230 years ago. Their ending is very near, InsuhAllah.
The followers of Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah (b.664 d.729AH, 1263/1328) & Muhammad ibn ^Abdil-Wahhab (b.1117 d.1206AH, 1703/1792) are among the group of the Mushabbihah (an Arabic word used to describe those people who liken Allah to the creations in which they attribute to Allah a place, direction & a body & its organs) & their followers today are known as Wahabies. They believe Allah is a body & exists in a place (they believe & teach Allah exists above the ^Arsh & they say Allah changes & occupies the skies). These statements are clear blasphemy. The Mushabbihah claim to follow the Holy Qur’an & the Prophet (peace & blessing be upon him), however that is not the case in reality. They take only the literal meanings to the ambiguous verses in the Holy Qur’an & the ambiguous Hadiths (sayings of the Prophet) to which they liken Allah to physical hand or a face, or that He sits on the ^Arsh (ceiling of Paradise), or that He occupies a certain direction & place. Such false interpretations results in likening Allah to the creations, which Islamically is blasphemous & clashes with a fundamental belief verse in the Holy Qur’an, chapter 42: verse 11:
لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَىْ ءٌ
Means: <> As a result, they have been lead astray & de-railed from the path of Islam. The scholars of Islam have said the Mushabbihah recite this verse in the Holy Qur’an, in chapter 42: verse 11:
لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَىْ ءٌ
Means: <> However, it does not go past their throats. If it did go past their throats, then it would have entered their hearts & they would not have contradicted a fundamental belief verse in Holy Qur’an.
These Wahabies call themselves Salafi or Ahlussunnah wal-Jamma^ah. However, they have highjacked these names, just to appeal to the Muslim masses. Don’t be fooled, they do not follow the beliefs of the Salaf of Ahlussunnah wal-Jamma^ah that all the people of truth follow.
Beneficial Information: The two prominent traditional Sunni theologians Imam Abul-Hasan al-Ash’ari (b.260 d.324AH, 859/923) & Imam Abu-Mansur al-Maturidi (d.333AH, 932), which the two lived in the Salaf era. Both these scholars rose to clarify & liberate the creed of Ahlussunnah wal-Jamma^ah (the people of truth) at a time when certain groups de-railed from the correct path of Islam. Abul-Hasan al-Ash’ari & Abu-Mansur al-Maturidi both share the same creed to which the Companions of the Prophet & their righteous followers held strongly to. The two theologians used the common logic that Allah created within humans, to draw the information from the verses from the Qur’an & the sayings of the Prophet to establish the correct irrefutable judgements about the Islamic creed, & refuted the false creed of the Mushabbihah, the Mu^tazilah & other sects, most of which resemble Allah to the creation. The people of Ahlussunnah wal-Jamma^ah don’t rely ONLY on sense & logic, like the philosophers do. Ahlussunnah wal-Jamma^ah use sense & logic to serve our religion; we don’t use sense & logic to supersede the Islamic religion. That’s a major difference between philosophers & the Muslims. The followers of Imam al-Ash’ari & Imam al-Maturidi are both referred to as the ancestors of the people of Ahlussunnah wal-Jamma^ah from that time onwards. People of Ahlussunnah wal-Jamma^ah (scholars & layman) are known as either Ash’ariyah or Maturidiyah in Islamic creed.
The four mainstream Islamic schools of jurisprudence (madhhabs), like Imam abu Hanifah (b.80 d.150AH, 679/749), Imam Malik (b.90 d.179AH, 689/778), Imam ash-Shafi’i (b.150 d.204AH, 749/803) & Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (b.163 d.241AH, 762/840), which the four lived in the Salaf era. These scholars are in total agreement, that Allah does not resemble the creation whatsoever & Allah’s existence is without a place & direction. However, the four mainstream Islamic schools of jurisprudence had differences on issues pertaining to al-furu (details of the rules of the religion). They did not have different opinions on usul al-din (essentials of beliefs). Muslims are untied by the same belief & the different issues amongst the scholars of jurisprudence pertaining to al-furu are a mercy for the people of Islam. Today the majority of the Muslims are about 1.5 billion on this earth (praise be to Allah) following either one of the four schools of jurisprudence. As for the Wahabies they don’t even make up 2 million in total all around the world. The Messenger of Allah (peace & blessing be upon him) encourage & advised us to adhere to the Creed of the majority of this nation which is the same Creed that all the Prophets (peace & blessing be upon them) have called for. The Messenger of Allah (peace & blessing be upon him) said: <>
Very Important Note: The Prophet (peace & blessing be upon him), praised the Salaf by saying:
(( خَيْرُ القُرُونِ قَرْنِى ثُمَّ الذين يَلُونَهُمْ ثُمَّ الذين يَلُُُُونَهُم )) رَواهُ البخارىّ.
Means: <> So what is relayed to us from those Salaf scholars in that era, the Prophet praised them & we as Muslims take there knowledge on board in our lifetime, because there belief is in total agreement with the Messenger of Allah & all of his Companions. The Kalaf are those who follow the Salaf in methodology & they lived after the first three centuries of the Hijrah era till the Day of Judgement.
How do the Wahabies claim to follow the Salaf, when they go against the fundamental teachings of the Salaf & all their followers? Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah & Muhammad ibn ^Abdil-Wahhab were not alive during the Salaf era. Hence, take a look at the time era of the master minds that set out the framework that the Wahabies followed in belief:
Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah (b.664 d.729AH, 1263/1328)?
Muhammad ibn ^Abdil-Wahhab (b.1117 d.1206AH, 1703/1792)?
The traditional Islamic scholars, strongly warns the Muslim population & its youth from following the creed of Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah. Islamic history confirms that Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah was sentenced to prison by the order of the Islamic scholars at his time. This is because he went against the scholarly consensus of the four mainstream Islamic schools of jurisprudence in matters pertaining to essentials of beliefs & the details of the rules of the religion, he eventually died in prison.
The Lion, Allah ta^ala is my Lord.
Such false interpretations results in likening Allah to the creations, which Islamically is blasphemous & clashes with a fundamental belief verse in the Holy Qur’an, chapter 42: verse 11:
لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَىْ ءٌ
Means: As a result, they have been lead astray & de-railed from the path of Islam. The scholars of Islam have said the Mushabbihah recite this verse in the Holy Qur’an, in chapter 42: verse 11:
لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَىْ ءٌ
Means: However, it does not go past their throats. If it did go past their throats, then it would have entered their hearts & they would not have contradicted a fundamental belief verse in Holy Qur’an.
In the Holy Qur’an, in chapter 42: verse 11:
لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَىْ ءٌ
Means: <>.
A group of Jews asked the Prophet: “O Muhammad describe to us your Lord, the One who you worship?”
أخرَجَ البيهقيُ عن ابن عباس أنَّ اليهود اتوا الى النبي فقالوا : يا محمَّد صفْ لنا ربَّك الذي تعبدُهُ. فنَزلتْ الايةُ : قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ * اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ * لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ * وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ, كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ ] سورة :الإخلاص [
The Prophet answered them the 4 fundamental verses from the Qur’an which was revealed to Him:
Verse 1 means: <>
Verse 2 means: <>
Verse 3 means: <>
Verse 4 means: <>
Then the Prophet (peace & blessing be upon him) continued to say to the Jews:
(( هذه صفةُ ربي عزّ وَجَلَ ))
Means: <> Therefore, Prophet Muhammad did not say to the Jews that Allah is a body with organs or He is in a direction of above or in a place or that He is mounted & sitting on the ^Arsh. The Prophet gave the Jews who are known that they believe Allah is a body that exists above the ^Arsh, a clear answer from the Qur’an which is clear Tawhid, the belief that Allah is the only God who does not resemble any of the creations.
Verse 1 means: (O Muhammad), say that Allah is One without partners.
Verse 2 means: Allah does not need any of the creations & all of His creations need Him.
Verse 3 means: Allah did not give birth to anyone & He was not given birth to. He is not the origin of anything & He did not originate from anything.
Verse 4 means: Nothing is similar to Allah.
The belief that Allah exists without a place is the creed of the Messenger of Allah (peace & blessing be upon him), the Companions & those who graciously followed them & it shall be till the Day of Judgment. The proof of this precious statement is what is mentioned in the Holy Qur’an, chapter 42: verse 11:
لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَىْ ءٌ ] سورة: الشّورى [
Means: Absolutely nothing like Allah in any way whatsoever. This is the clearest verse in the whole entire Qur’an that when it’s recited, its meaning is so clear that Allah is absolutely & totally clear from resembling the creations in everyway. Hence, it shows that Allah exists without a place, because whatever exists in a place would be made up of particles (i.e. it would be a body occupying a space) & the Creator is not a body that occupies a space. The words body, place & space means: That which has depth, height & width. What has depth, height & width is a creation beyond any doubt. Imam Ja^far as-Sadiq who is among the Salaf said:
قالَ الإِمامُ جَعْفَرُ الصَّادِقُ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ : مَنْ زَعَمَ أَنَّ اللَّهَ في شَيْءٍ أَوْ عَلَى شَيْءٍ أَوْ مِنْ شَيْءٍ فَقَدْ أََشْرَكَ إِذْ لَوْ كانَ في شَيْءٍ لَكانَ مَحْصُورًا أَوْ عَلَى شَيْءٍ لَكانَ مَحْمولاً وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ شَيْءٍ لَكانَ مُحْدَثاً أَيْ مَخْلُوقاً.
Means: Whoever claims that Allah is in something, or on something, or from something, commits shirk. This is because if Allah was in something, He would be confined. If Allah was on something, He would be carried. If Allah was from something, He would be something that has beginning (i.e. creation).
Beneficial Information: The word Ta^ala تَعَالىَ means: Allah is absolutely & totally clear of all non-befitting attributes that the blasphemers attribute to Him. Allah is not attributed with attributes of the creation, like bodily attributes, colours, shapes, movements, stillness, suspending, sitting, resting, climbing & any other attributes of the creations. This is why the people of Truth (Ahlussunnah wal-Jamma^ah) say: “Allah exists without a place”, because the one who exists in a place must have a limit & anything that has a limit is a creation & is also in need of the one who specified it with that limit. Furthermore, whatever is in need, certainly is not the Creator. This is the proof why Allah is clear of existing in any place or direction. We do not say that Allah exists in the direction of above. We do not say that Allah exists in all places, or everywhere. Rather, Allah exists & He does not resemble other things that exist. Hence, Allah exists without a place.
Very Important Note: When we as Muslims believe & say that Allah exists without a how, without a place & without a direction; these phrases do not imply that Allah does not exist. Allah exists without a doubt. However, Allah’s existence does not resemble other things that exist & Muslims submit to this without any doubt whatsoever.
Ta’til (Atheism) means: Denying the existence of Allah & His attributes.
Tashbih (Likeness) means: Likening Allah to the creations.
Mujassim (Anthropomorphism) means: Attributing Allah with a body & its organs
Tanzih (Transcendence) means: Believing that Allah is clear of any resemblance to the creation & of any imperfection (non-befitting attributes). Tanzih is the foundation of the correct belief & whoever fails to comprehend the Tanizh of Allah has no correct knowledge & belief about Allah.
Beneficial Information: The word Subhana سُبحانَ means: Tanzih, i.e. we declare that Allah is clear of all non-befitting attributes. It is recommended in the prayer, while in Ruku^ (bowing position), to say 3 times:
سُبحانَ رَبّىَِ العظيم
Subhana Rabbiyal ^Adhim
Means: We declare that Allah is clear of all non-befitting attributes & His my Great Lord. Also, it is recommended in the prayer, while in Sujud (prostration position), to say 3 times:
سُبحانَ رَبّىَِ الأعلَى
Subhana Rabbiyal A^la
Means: We declare that Allah is clear of all non-befitting attributes & His my Supreme Lord. Muslims are obligated to pray 5 times a day & look how many times Muslims say Tanzih everyday, 153 times a day (Allahu Akbar). Dammed are those who liken Allah to the creation. In short, the Wahabies (those who liken the Creator to the creation) are calling people of Islam to believe in the anthropomorphism of the Christians & Jews!
We do not under any circumstance indulge in thinking about the Self of Allah. The Self of Allah means the reality of Allah & the reality of Allah is not known except by Allah. As certain as we are about the existence of the universe, we are certain about the existence of its Creator, who is Allah (subhanahu wa ta^ala). However, that does not mean that we can imagine the reality of Allah. Allah the Creator is unimaginable. One must avoid trying to imagine the reality of Allah, because it’s not conceivable by our minds & it’s blasphemous to do so. Put something like, we are not ordered to know, & we have been prohibited from knowing the reality of Allah. Abul-Qasim al-Ansariyy related that the Prophet (peace & blessing be upon him) said:
(( لاَ فِكْرَةَ فِي الرَّبِّ )) رَوَاهُ أبوُ القَاسِم الأ نْصَاريُّ.
Means: Do not attempt to imagine the Self of Allah. The greatest Companion & the best friend of Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessing be upon him), was Imam Abu Bakr as-Siddiq & he (Abu Bakr) said:
قال الإمام أبو بكر الصديق رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ : العَجْزُ عَنْ دَرَكِ الإِدْرَاكِ إِدْرَاكُ، وَالبَحْثُ عَنْ ذَاتِهِ كُفْرٌ وَإِشْرَاكُ.
رَوَاهُ الإمام الزَّرْكَشِي في كتاب تَشْنيف المَسامِع.
Means: The inability to realise the reality of Allah is the correct realisation. However, to try to imagine the reality of Allah is blasphemy & shirk. Hence, our inability to comprehend the reality of the existence of Allah does not impair our certainty about Allah’s existence. This is a very crucial point. The Wahabies strongly object to believing or saying: “If we clear Allah from existing in space, time, place, direction & having a body with parts & its organs, we will be denying His existence”. That’s where they went astray from the path of Islam. The fact is we as Muslims know it’s not possible to comprehend Allah’s reality, while maintaining absolutely that Allah is the One Whose existence is intellectually necessary. The true believer worships Allah to whom there is none similar. In the Holy Qur’an, chapter 19: verse 65:
هَلْ تَعْلَمُ لَهُ, سَمِيًّا ] سورة : مريم [
Means: Do you know of anything which is similar to Allah? There is none.
Since we have determined that the Creed of the Muslims is that Allah exists without a place & direction & that the question how does not apply to Allah. Its clear to us that the ^Arsh, which is the largest of the creations & the ceiling of Paradise, is not a place for Allah, the Exalted.
Very Important Note: When we as Muslims believe & say only Allah knows His reality, this does not mean only Allah knows how He is. The one who attributes ‘how’ to Allah is like one is implying Allah is a creation, but is ignorant of the how manner of it. Also, it is very important to understand one does not fall under the forbidden attempt to imagine the reality of Allah, when we believe with firm conviction or say that Allah does not resemble the creations & no place or direction contains Him.
Imam abu Ja^far At-Tahawi, in his book: Al-^Aqidah At-Tahawiyyah statement #34 said:
قالَ الإِمامُ أَبُو جَعْفََََََرٍ الطَحاوِيُّ رَحْمَةُ اللَّهِ عَلَيْهِ في بَيانِ عَقِيدَةِ أَهْلِ السُّنَّةِ وَالْجَماعَةِ : وَلاَ تَثْبُتُ قَدَمٌ فى الإِسْلاَمِ إلاَّ على ظَهْرِ التَّسْليمِ والاستِسْلاَم. فَمَنْ رَامَ عِلْْمَ مَا حُظِرَ عَنْهُ عِلْْمُهُ، وَلَمْ يَقْنَعْ بِالتَّسْلِيمِ فَهْمُهُ، حَجَبَهُ مَرَامُهُ عَنْ خَالِصِ التَّوْحِيدِ وَصَافِى المَعْرِفَةِ وَصَحِيحِ الإِيمانِ. فَيَتَذَبْذَبُ بَيْنَ الكُفْرِ وَالإِيمَانِ، وَالتَّصْدِيقِ وَالتَّكْذِيبِ، وَالإِقْرارَ وَالإِنْكارِ، مُوَسْوِسًا تائِهًا شاكًّا، لا مُؤمِنًا مُصَدّقًا وِلا جاحِدًا مُكَذّبًا.
Means: One is not at all a Muslim if he does not surrender & submit to Allah, by accepting the attributes that surely befit Him. So, whoever fails to do that & seeks the knowledge of what has been prevented from knowing & is not satisfied to leave it to the One (Allah) who knows it, prevents himself from clearing Allah from resemblance to the creation (Tawhid), pure knowledge & correct belief. Consequently, he sways between blasphemy & belief, acknowledgment with denial & acceptance with rejection. He will be subject to whispers, lost & doubtful, & is neither an accepting believer nor a rejecting disbeliever.
Explanation: One’s faith cannot be correct if he does not surrender & submit to Allah without any objection or attributes to Allah what does not befit Him, as we have previously mentioned throughout this topic. Hence, one must submit completely & accept whatever has been prevented from knowing. Again, an example is that the reality of Allah is not known except by Allah. Whoever tries to imagine Allah’s reality blasphemes for likening Allah to the creations, plus he is venturing into something impossible to imagine. Such a person is far from holding absolute Tawhid & having the pure knowledge & correct belief about Allah. Consequently, he believes in some of what the Prophet conveyed & disbelieves in other fundamental matters. In other words, he acknowledges the belief that Allah exists, however he denies the correct knowledge & belief about Allah (i.e. likens Allah to the creations). As a result, he’s lost with no correct foundation in belief, subject to whispers & at the same time he is not claiming to be like an outspoken blasphemer (i.e. he claims to be Muslim, but is not). Such a person is definitely a blasphemer. That’s what one encounters when one does not surrender to the Creator & attributes to Allah what does not befit Him. Therefore, the correct belief about Allah in Islam is not based on delusions that result from one’s own opinion of what is typical of the creation.
Imam Ahmad ar-Rifa^iyy al-Kabir (b.000 d.000AH, 0000/0000) said this wonderful statement:
قالَ الشَّيْخُ أَحْمَدُ الرِّفاعِيُّ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ : غَايَةُ المَعْرِفَةِ بِاللَّهِ الإِيقَانُ بِوُجُودِهِ تَعَالَى بِلا كَيْفٍ وَلا مَكَانٍ.
Means: The ultimate knowledge about Allah is to be certain that Allah exists without a how & without a place. The humans can only imagine what they are familiar with, which is a creation. We are encouraged to think about the creations of Allah. This will help increase our glorification to the Creator, Allah. In his book al-Asma’a was-Sifat, Imam al-Bayhaqiyy (b.000 d.000AH, 0000/0000), narrated with a strong chain of narrators that the cousin of Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessing be upon him), whose name is Abdullah ibn Abbas (who was the Interpreter of the Qur’an) said:
قال ابن عباس رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ : تَفَكَّرُوا في خَلْقِ اللَّه وَلا تَفَكَّرُوا في ذَاتِ اللَّه. رَوَاهُ البيهقيُ.
Means: Think about the creations of Allah, but do not attempt to imagine the Self of Allah. A good example is the way a seed grows into a huge tree or how humans have different fingerprints & different voices to one another. This is truly fascinating to imagine.
@Abu Usamah al-Aswad
aftr reading your post, it seem more clear, not entirely though, that you intrinsically have an aspect of racism in your mode of conduct that is witnessed in your expression regarding peoples of their own land to implment Islam as they see fit, causing a virtual rape of Islam and it’s shar.
you said
“While you are addresing my so called “rather mudtarib view” of the those events can you also explain / address the contradictory nature of the letters that were published by the Imam Muhammad ibn Saud University, in which Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab, claims many of the declarations of kufr and shirk upon the Muslims attributed to him, should in fact be attributed to Sulaiman ibn Suhaim, yet these same positions of declarations of kufr and shirk upon the Muslims are still being expoused by Salafi today?”
there’s no contradictin because its quite simple
in usoolu-fiqh, the matter of takfeer is divided into two categories
takfeer al-aiyn
takfeer bi wasf
ALL of the issues of which IBn Abdul-Wahhab alluded to regarding takfeer in his work all point to takfeer bi wasf i.e. the takfeer of the issue, not necessarily the person. That is why it is fundamentally wrong when people could interpret the statement of some of the Imaams of the salaf like Imaamul-Aimah Ibnul-Khudhaimah or Shafi’ee, or others who stated that “whoever disbelieves that Allah is over the throne is a kaafir” and then take this takfeer, which is a takfeer of its wasf, and then apply it on someone and call them a kaafir.
likewise ALL of the statements regarding takfeer of people that does allude to the form of takfeer al-aiyn, then all of it, is actually laid out in the woorks of usoolu-fiqh from every single Imaam that existed in this ummah, from shafi;ee such as an-Nawawee, ghazali, Shiraazi, and Ibn Mundhir, to Malikis like Ibn Abi Zayd, Ibn Abdul-Barr, ash-Shatibi, and to the hanafis, and as well to the hanbalis. That is why, where IMaam Ibn Abdul-Wahhab does appl;y a specific takfeer, it is accompanied by the fact that such a performance of takfeer is what is unanimously agreed over, no doubt in it.
lastly, salafis do not make declarations of shirk and kufr on the masses of muslims in the fashion you describe. in fact salafis, in their dawah, call to the need to clarify takfeer from the extremism of the current day kharijian menace. And this is why I fail to understand your question, since from its very bases is based on a delusionary reality that does not befit what is actually happening in modern times, or any time of our history for that matter.
@ sam
did you literally have to bombard us with all of that rhetoric.
firstly, the entire ummah is already agreed upon over the fact that Allah has no semblence to the creation, this is the sunni/salafi principle of laysa kamithili shay
secondly, regarding place for Allah, again, no one claims Allah is in a place. The problem lies when the sunni wordl, whenever they read that Allah rose over the Throne, they understand it the way every average person who reads the quraan understands, that it is beffiting His majesty to be seperate and distinct from the creation as He says Over the Throne. The problem that comes into this matter is when the people who followed the madhaab of Aristotle attributed to Islam such innovatory concepts such as “accidents” and “substances” jawhar, hudooth, jism, jihaah, and place. In otyher words, the issue of Allah being in a place was never an issue, never has been discussed, until radical heretical innvoators among the Aristotlians came along and decided to interpret the Islamic creed according to the usool of Aristotle rather than the Usool of Hamaad, or Abdur-Razzaq, or Thawri, or Awzaa’ee, or Abu Haneefa.
thirdly, you ascribed as mushabiha Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul-Wahhab. Explain how this is correct, when the madhaab of the hanbalis was the most harsh agaisnt the anthropomorphists. that is, because the ash’aris, and other ahlul-kalaam innovated sects, while they were against anthropomorphists, were not as as knowledegable in not declaring them as disbelievers. Therefore, i fail to see how they, who viewed mushabiha as kufar, are themselves mushabiha.
All of this makes more sense when one realizes the statement of Ibn Taymiytyah were he said “the anthropomorphists worship a taghut (false diety) and the mu’atilia (the people who simply wish to deny the basic attributes Allah Himself affirms in His book and what the Messenger of Allah affirmed in the sunnah) worship nothing”
Again regarding this point, the person in which you copied and pasted this rhetoric claimed that the salaf are mushabiha because they say that Allah is above the arsh, and added the additional lie that “Allah sits on the throne”
the ahlu-sunnah/salafis, do not attribute this opinion to the salaf and the view that ALlah sits is eak and not established as a salaf/suni principle as the Aristotlians have percieved
thirdly, Imaam at-tahawee, when he said this statement in point 38 that the six directions do not contain HIm, it simply means that it does not contain Him. It was never meant by the Imaam to deny that Allah is above the arsh, for if you revert back to the earlier point of tahawee in his aqeedah, he clearly labeled the denier of Allah being over the throne as a kaafir. thus, since we have this particualr seemingly contradictory view, then Haafidh Ibn Abil-Izz al-Hanafi had best explaiend this point. iNfact his sharh of tahaawiyyah continues to be the ultimate explanation of the tahawiyyah since at-Tahaawi wrote his creed. Anyways, Ibn Abil-Izz commented on this, the basic gist of it is that the statement of at-tahawee is understood from three aspects by three different peoples.
1. the heretical extrremists innovators who denied all or most of the attributes accepted this statement wholistically without question
2. the second group, are ignorants who rejected the statement outright
3. the third view, whcih is the sunni view, is that they first look into what the mutakalim (the person who speaks) is intending in their speech. if it leads to what is clearly agaisnt the risalah, then it is rejected, if it leads to what is established by the risaalah, then it is accepted. This is howthe sunnis behave because with anything that was not established by the salaf, then their words and meanings are looked into and then judged off of that, and simply not treated as absolutely acceptable without question, or absolutely denied as the heretics and innovators hav done.
thirdly, at-tahawi was not among the salaf as the author of this rhetoric ignorantly claimed
I am not even going to continue arguing over these simple matters that have been turned upside down by Aristolians because they follow their master hazrat Aristotle
rather i will simply ask you a yes or no question
Do you believe Allah can hear, or see, or both.
asalamu alaikum
Hopefully i’ll write more later but i’ll just briefly mention that my time with “salafis” hasn’t been so nice though Alhamdulillah i’ve never been “salafi”.
One of the “leaders” in the ISOC of my college once threatened to “break my nose” if i didn’t change my “Sufi” inclined beliefs!
@Abu Usamah al-Aswad you are one who plays with words and miss uses language. Al-Aswad is the colour of your heart. Aswad is the colour black in the Arabic language.
rrdless if your statement may be true or not, it is not proper to sffirm someone’s blackness of their heart. we should fear Allah much in our dealings
As Salaamu Alaikum,
My brother, I pray that Allah Ta’ala strengthen you with patience and keep Islam in your heart. I pray that he continue to give you the strenght to take care of your family and I pray that he opens back up your ex-wife heart to this wonderful religion ameen ameen ameen. It is ENOUGH to say your are a MUSLIM… Continue to follow the Kitab of Allah (swt) and the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw).I pray that Allah (swt) surrounds you with knowledgable schloars. Hold on tight to the rope of Allah (swt).
Salaam Alaikum Brother,
When I first heard of these ten years ago, I knew it would spill over to argumentation and splitting into groups. We find ourselves distracted, disconnected, and not focused on our goals in life. We were given a treasure responsible for securing our place on this planet. With all this in-house fighting, how can we secure our destiny in this world and the hereafter? If we continue down this path we will suffer the very same fate other generation suffered. ALLAH will replace us as he did in the past to do the work spelled out for us in the Quran and Sunnah. This Deen will succeed only with those who have the vision and audacity to overcome the differences so that achievement is conceivable. Yes, obstacles will be a challenge for those who are engulfed with partisanship. We know that dissention amongst our ranks is a tool used by shaytan. Defending this deen doesn’t mean we can dismiss the foundation of proper discourse which is mutual respect, kindness, and selflessness in regards to dealing with fellow Muslims.
This religion did not come to destroy or break up homes. What you went through and now going through to recover is a common trend introduced in the Muslim community all over the United States. Never lose hope and don’t give in to the temptation to revert back to your old ways. Please keep in touch and know you have support out there. May ALLAH protect you and your family from any evil incantation? May ALLAH increase us in knowledge that will benefit us and not go against us? May ALLAH grant us the patience (Sabrun Jameel, Beautiful Patience) so that we can carry out the TRUST given to us to guide all of Human Kind. Ameena Ameen…….your brother in Islam ABA ALI
Asalamu Alaikum,
Some advice for myself first and then for you all. I would like to advise us with the following, “Never judge the religion/manhaj by the people, rather judge the people by the manhaj/religion.” All of these things that we have seen for the past years regarding the dawatu salafiyyah is so far from the actual practice of the salafi manhaj, that most who have not studied and kept an open mind would not realize. We are a people who have entered Islam after being in the streets and we have brought into this beautiful dawah (salafiyyah) our street gang mentality and added it to as-Salafiyyah and that is unfortunate. We have and are destroying this beautiful manhaj with our ignorant ways, with those things that should of been left at the door when we entered the fold of Islam.
Now many brothers and sisters have their lives destroyed not because of what this dawatu salafiyyah called to, but because we took the leaders of these fitnah’s as Lord’s along with Allah. Ultimately we are responsible for our own actions and whether we get to jennah or not, that lies on our shoulders. We need to become better educated and if something does not seem right, then stand against it and show the proof from this beautiful dawa and that can be done by leaving those individuals alone who seem to be extreme and find those brothers who are on the middle course and they are many. We need to continue upon knowledge and this exteme view of salafiyyah will come into light, thus seeing that it is just defects in the individuals calling to it and not the dawa itself.
May Allah cause us to become better educated and leave off following personalities but follow the true deen.
This is in reponse to the SHEIKHKHKHKHKH!!!!who said he does not know if Sh Abdal Razzaq Al Abbad is salafi or not.Stop talking without knowledge you give the people of sunnah a bad name..keep silent milkshaikh.!!!!!!!
as salaamu alaikum
who said that about shaykh abbad?
Yes these brothers so called students of knowledge and there cultish followers have recked cooperation amongst muslims.Brother you know who they are and I beleve personally some of them need to be put on Americian islamic discord list.Knew muslims need to be warned aganist these preaching off the minhajj ghetto preachers.Jamal Deen Zarobozo off it give me a break.I am waiting for so called on it crew to write a book comparable his 40 hadith.Yasr Qadi Quarnic science and dua weapon of the believer also Bilal phillips exceroism or usool hadith.Brother stay balance like you are doing and forget these people.May Allah heal you and your family .
As Salamu alaikum
Bi Ism Allah ( I the Name of Allah)
The Prophet said peace be upon him:
-Tribulations (fitan) will prevail.
-”A people will come out at the end of times, immature, “foolish” and corrupt.
-”Just before the Hour there will be many liars.”
-”If the leadership is entrusted to those unfit for it, expect the Hour.”
-”From among the portents of the Hour are (the following): −1. Religious knowledge will be taken away (by the death of Religious learned men).
-”Allah does not take away the knowledge, by taking it away from (the hearts of) thepeople, but takes it away by the death of the religious learned men till when none of the (religious learned men) remains, people will take as their leaders ignorant persons who when consulted will give their verdict without knowledge. So they will go astray and will lead the people astray.”
-Bloodshed will increase.
-Trustworthiness will be lost
-my ummah will split into 73 sects (all in hell expect one)
Examples:
[SUFIS-->Deobandis/Shadhlis/Naqschibandis ect.], Neo-Jahmites, Khawaridj, Takfiris, Ikhwan Al Muslimun, Qutbis, Rawafid (Schi´a),Tablighis, Habashis, Extreme Partisans, Mutakalimun/AHlul Kalam, Qadyanis (Ahmadiyyah), blindly Folowers of Abi Haneefah (r.h.)Muqalideen like the Extrem Hardcore Muqalid Kauthari , Mu´tazzilah, Ash´aris, Kullabiyyah, Followers of Bin Laden- Sarqawi- Zawahiri- Abdullah Azzam- Salmaa al-Awdah- Mawdudi, Muhammed Suroor …. Followers of Nuh Ha Mim Keller , G.F. Haddad, Hisham Al Kabbani and Shekh Nazim, Hasan Turabi, Yusuf AL-Qaradawi….and last but not least the Extrem Fanatic Students of Imam RAbee´AL Madkhali (HafedhahuAllah) the so-called “Madkhalis”!
Now I know what I will have to do…..
Allah’s Apostle said peace be upon him, “A time will come that the best property of a Muslim will be sheep which he will take on the top of mountains and the places of
rainfall (valleys) so as to flee with his religion from afflictions.”
As Salamu 3alaikum
SalafiBurnout,
This is my first time on your blog. I must say that I’m sorry to hear about your family crisis, but things will get better if you keep the faith. For now it may not seem like it, but it will.
Everyone lets be honest;
The words “Salifiyyah Saalih” is being used as if the first three generations had the same interpretation and understanding of every single issue and agreed on everything in existence at that time, which is a complete lie. The seerah is filled with diverse examples and understanding and mistakes of the Sahabah culminating in a civil war, in which the Prophet’s (SAS) wife went to war with his cousin, in which the Prophet’s (SAS) grandchild was beheaded by Muslim.
I love the sahabah, however Allah (Ta ala), emphasized the example of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAS), not Umar (RA) or Abu Bakr (RA). Allah (Ta Ala) emphasized how gentle he was and had he been hard-hearted that Sahabah would of broke away from him. So in reality the hard-heartedness of so-called Salifis, has lead to be people leaving or being abandoned. It seems every week there is a new list
When you read the seerah and hadiith of the Prophet (SAS), you see his gentleness, attempting to make excuses for fornicators and a drunk, forgiving those who expelled them and attacked him and his followers, Surely he was a mercy to the world.
Honestly can anyone possibly attribute the behaviors of a good portion of modern-day Salifiyyah to the Prophet (SAS).
Salaam Alaikum Brother Salafi Burnout,
This is my first time on your blog as well. I found your blog by way of Abdur Rahman Muhammad’s blog ( Singular Voice).
I want to first start off by saying that I’m so happy that Allah blessed you with the courage, strength, and insight to blog about your experience. Disregard the dismissive and inhumane rhetoric of both the soothsayers and naysayers. Sharing your story not only on this blog but in real life will spare many new Muslims pain, and guide our Muslim youth away from any Islamic cult. May Allah reward you for this.
I’ve discussed my crazy experience with Islam and Muslims much on Abdur Rahman blog so I want rehash it here. I will say that what helped me was: 1) Getting the hell away from the entire Muslim community until I felt emotionally safe enough to return 2) Seeking professional help with a group of psychologists who specialize in helping people deprogram from cults 3) Striving to repair my relationships with my family members who I turned away from( my mother died during this period)4)Going back to school and to work and 5) Preserving my family from crazy people.
I thought my experience was horrible but your story has brought my heart to its knees.
Brother, do what ever you feel and believe is the right thing to do protect and provide for your children. If that means even going to a church for financial assistance or even emotional support do so. I attended the Unitarian Church for three years. In particular their grief and loss support group; womens support group; and parish counseling helped me in addition to the professional help I was already seeking. It felt dam good to be treated with respect and dignity for once.
I will pray hard for your family, and from the bottom of my heart I wish you nothing but joy, peace, healthiness, balance, and prosperity.
Sister Seeking
Salam aleykum Bro,
May the this mail reach you and your family in good health and hight Eman,
I can Only say SubhanaAllah wa Bihamdih. EVERYTHING you have writen and not writen is TRUE 100%, you and alot more people/families have gone thru this ‘dark’ time in life. MashaAllah that you are still trying to build up your life and still strong in your deen,may Allah grant you all the straight. Like you said its sad at age 41 you have to ’start’ all over again insteed of going forward,bi thin lah all those years you did what you thought and knew was best for you and your family and I am sure it is not going to be for nothing,after all Allah is THE most merciful. Keep up and be strong and Allah will guide and aid you and as for your ex we make dua for her and all our muslim brothers and sisters that are going thru that dark time in life,ameen
Wa salam
Ukhtee fi lah
Another burnout salafiyah!!!
Assalamu ‘Allaykum,
I do feel for this man and I am sadden by what he describes and it is true that this only happens with converts (mostly African Americans).
But I do not deny the reality that some people have made the salafi manhaj into a cult. But as for this brother, then, you should’ve had more control over your women and that it is partially your fault that she was listening to others. The man has to be able to teach his wife and his kids. Right now, what this brothers needs to do is stay-away from the blame game and learn to live with his downfall and try to practise the sunnah. I would advice moving away from that certain community (which is probably east-coast). Then I am pretty sure, you would meet nice people who are actually following the Sunnah without saying salafi every ten seconds.
In addition, try to learn the arabic language so that you don’t have to rely on understanding your deen through someone who is in the same shoes as you.
And if you are looking for stable marriage, then, I would advice you to marry someone who was born and raised Muslim.
May Allah make it easy for you and us.
wassalam
Wow… I just joined a salafi list. I’m a new Muslim as well, and of course I’m all for practicing Islam the way it USED to be, as in the time of the Prophet. Balanced, full of mercy, women no longer oppressed, etc. I thought that was the group’s intention, however based on some emails I’ve read from the list and now your post,I know Allah SWT has a much more balanced approach to Islam than that. Thank you for posting. May Allah, the ultimate Provider, bless you and your children to hold fast to the truth of Islam and to truly practice Islam as He intended it. May He accept your fasting and grant you ease in providing for your family. Amin.
@ Abu Zayds statement:
‘And if you are looking for stable marriage, then, I would advice you to marry someone who was born and raised Muslim”
Akhee with due all respect I don’t think you should put all the ‘African Americans’ in one boat and for the record this is issue with the brothers in England and NOT American. They got their own issue and I am sure they got some one out there to deal with it. As for your statement regarding marrying some one who is born and raised muslims I just want to remind you the best muslims were those who came from jahiliyah and that includes the mothers of the believers radhi allahu anuhuma.
You saying that that means you are putting ALL the revert into one boat, the are good and bad people nomater race,religion,background etc. As a revert sister I found your statement VERY unpropriate and I can sadly say this is the typical comments and thoughts you can only get from arabs or asian. Bear in mind NOT all born and raised muslim women are good women. The are ALOT of revert sisters out there who wish they could just have a peaceful marriage and that are tired of the drama of being divorce because she liften up her niqab to see the way or because she didn’t made her husband a cup of tea. Allahu Mustan’an!!
Wa salam
Assalamu Alaikum,
Allahu Musta’aan. In any case four things:
1) Knowledge
2) Action upon that knowledge
3) Calling toward it
4) Patience upon it.
From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 2/312-315.
Question:
What is Freemasonry, and what is the ruling on it in Islam? What is the ruling on joining the Masons?.
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Freemasonry is a secret political society whose goal is to put an end to all religions and good morals, and to replace them with man-made laws and non-religious systems. It strives to provoke ongoing revolutions and to replace one regime with another, on the basis of its call for freedom of thought and freedom of belief. This is what they have stated clearly.
This is what was announced by one of them in the Students’ Conference held in 1865 CE in the city of Liege which is considered to be one of the centers of Freemasonry. He said:
Man must prevail over God, and declare war on Him. He should demolish the heavens and tear them like paper.
It says in the Masonic Grand Lodge (1922, p. 98): We will strengthen the freedom of individual thought with all the powers at our disposal, and we will declare war against the real enemy of man, which is religion.
The Masons say that Masonry takes the human soul as its object of worship.
They say: It is not enough for us to prevail over the religious people and their places of worship, rather our basic goal is to wipe them out of existence.
Minutes of the World Masonic Conference, 1903 CE, p. 102.
They say: Freemasonry will take the place of religion and its Lodges will take the place of places of worship… and there are many other statements which clearly point to the intensity of their enmity towards religion and their uncompromising war on religion.
The Freemasons are one of the most ancient secret societies which still exist and its origins are still unknown to many people and are still unknown to many of their members, because the plots of their leaders are very secret and hidden and they are so keen to conceal their plots and aims. Therefore most of their affairs are conducted verbally, with no written record.
When they want to write an idea or announce it to the public, it is first subjected to the scrutiny of Masonic censors who decide whether it may be released or not. The foundations of Freemasonry were based on theories taken from several sources, mostly from Jewish traditions.
This is supported by the fact that Jewish ideas and teachings were taken as the basis for the founding of the Grand Lodge in 1717 CE with its principles and symbols. The Masons still venerate the Jew Hiram and the temple that he built, from which they take the design of the Masonic lodges in the world. The greatest Masonic leaders are Jews and form the backbone of the Masonic movement, and they are the ones who represent Jewish organizations in Masonic lodges. It is to them that the spread of Masonry and global cooperation between Freemasons is to be attributed. They are the driving force behind Freemasonry and this Jewish elite are leading different secret cells, running their affairs and directing them secretly as they wish. This is supported by a report in the Masonic Acacia magazine (1908, issue no. 66) which says that there is no Masonic lodge that is free of Jews and that all the Jews do not follow one way or another exclusively, rather there are only principles for them to follow. And this is also the case with the Masons. Hence the Jewish synagogues are our [Masons’] support and we find many Jews among the Freemasons.
This is also supported by what it says in the Masonic publications: that the Jews are certain that the best means of destroying religion is Freemasonry. The history of the Masons is similar to the history of the Jews in belief. Their symbol is the six-pointed Star of David. The Jews and the Freemasons both consider themselves to be the spiritual sons of the builders of the Temple of Solomon. The Freemasonry which distorts other religions lends full support to Judaism and its followers. The Jews took advantage of people’s simple-mindedness and good intentions, and infiltrated Freemasonry and reached high positions within it, thus they breathed a Jewish spirit into the Masonic lodges and subjugated them to their own aims.
One of the clearest indications of their intense desire to conceal their plans to destroy religions and provoke political revolutions is what it says in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, where it says: we will concentrate these cells under a single leadership that is known to us alone. This leadership will be composed of our scholars and these cells will have special representatives, so that the true location of our leadership will be concealed. This leadership alone will have the right to decide who will speak, and to draw up the plans of the day. In these cells we will plan to lay traps for all the socialists and classes of revolutionary society. Most of the secret political plans are known to us and we will decide when to implement them. But the agents of the international secret police will be members of these cells. When the conspiracies start throughout the world, that will mean that one of our most dedicated agents will be at the head of these conspiracies and of course we will be the only people to direct the Masonic plans. We are the only people who know how to direct them and we know the ultimate goal of each action, whilst the illiterates – meaning non-Jews – are ignorant of most of these things, especially Masonry, and they can only see the immediate results of what they are doing.
And there is other evidence which points to the strong connection between the Jews and the Masons, and the cooperation between the two parties in revolutionary conspiracies and stirring up destructive movements. Even though Freemasonry outwardly appears to be a call to freedom of belief, tolerance and social reform in general, in fact it is really a call for permissiveness and destructive factors which cause social disintegration and the loosening of bonds between nations and destruction of religion and morals and the spread of mischief.
Based on this, any Muslim who joins a Masonic group knowing the true nature of Freemasonry and its secrets, and carries out its rituals and is keen to do so, is a kaafir who should be asked to repent. If he repents, all well and good, otherwise he is to be put to death and if he dies in that state then his recompense will be that of the kaafirs. Whoever joins the Freemasons but does not know what they really are, or know about their plots against Islam and the Muslims, and their spreading evil and the evil that they are planning against everyone who tries to bring people together and reform nations, and he joins them in their general activities and talk that does not apparently contradict Islam, is not a kaafir, rather he is excused in general because of their concealing their true nature from him, and because he does not share their basic beliefs or aims. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Acts are but by intentions, and each man will have but that which he intended.”
But he must disavow himself of them when he finds out what they really are, and he must tell people about their real nature and strive to spread their secrets and their plots against the Muslims, so that this will cause a scandal for them and will undermine their efforts. The Muslim should surround himself with good people who will cooperate with him in his religious and worldly affairs. He should be far-sighted in choosing close friends so that he will be safe from being tempted by these apparently attractive ideas and be safe from the evil consequences of honeyed words, and so he will not fall into the traps of the people of shirk which they set up to ensnare those who are easily deceived, follow their whims and desires and are weak in reasoning.
From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 2/312-315.
A Legal Judgement Regarding the Ruling on Membership of the Masonic Movement
(The decision of the Fiqh Academy)
All praise and thanks be to Allaah and may peace and blessings of Allaah be upon the Messenger of Allaah and upon his family and Companions and all those who follow his guidance. As for what follows:
During its first session, which was convened in Makka, on the tenth of Sha’baan in the year 1398 A.H. (15/7/1978 C.E.) The Fiqh Academy looked into the matter of the Masons and their affiliates, and the Islamic ruling on them.
The members of the Academy undertook a thorough study of this dangerous organization, reading what has been written about them, past and present, and the documents and speeches propagated by their members and their leaders which they themselves have published in the magazines which represent them. It became clear to the Academy in a manner that leaves no doubt, from the books and texts they read which follows:
1. The Masonic movement is a secret society which sometimes hides it organization and sometimes reveals it, according to the prevailing conditions of the time and place. However, the true principles upon which this organization is based are secret at all times, the knowledge of which is hidden even from its members, except the chosen few, who reach, through many different experiences, the highest levels.
2. The movement builds a relationship between its members in all corners of the world, based upon a superficial foundation in order to fool the gullible people, which is that of the human brotherhood alleged to exist between all members of the organization, which (supposedly) makes no distinction between different faiths, creeds, ideologies.
3. It attracts those persons who are important to it to join their organization by tempting them with promises of personal benefits, on account of the fact that every Mason is bound to help every other brother Mason, in any corner of the world, to assist him in fulfilling his needs, achieving his aims and solving his problems, and to support him if he has political ambitions, to assist him if he falls into any predicament – whatever it may be, whether he is right or wrong, oppressor or oppressed. This may be concealed, by making it appear that they are helping him when he is on the right, not on the wrong. This is the greatest temptation by which they capture people from all societies, taking from them significant financial contributions.
4. Joining them begins with a celebration for the enrolment of a new member, with certain frightening rituals and formalities, intended to instill fear in the member of what will happen to him if he ever disobeys their directives and orders which are issued to him in sequence.
5. The gullible members are left free to practice their religion and it (the organization) benefits by controlling them and assigning tasks to them, within the limits appropriate for them, and they remain at the lowest level. As for the apostates, or those who are willing to become apostates, they are slowly promoted to higher levels, according to their experience and repeated tests which are given to members, based upon their willingness to serve their plans and their dangerous ideology.
6. Its aims are political and they have a hand – either open or hidden – in most political and military insurrections and major changes.
7. The organization is Jewish in origin and is secretly managed and directed at its highest levels by international Jewry and its activities are Zionist in character.
8. It is, in fact, in its hidden aims, against all religions, its intentions being the destruction of all of them in general, and Islaam in the hearts of its adherents in particular.
9. It concentrates on the recruitment of persons in positions of authority in finance, politics, the community, in science and any other position they can utilize in order to further their power in the community. They have no interest in recruiting those without any power they can exploit, and for this reason, they often concentrate on the recruitment of kings, presidents, important government employees and their like.
10. It has many branches, which bear other names, in order to deceive and divert attention, so that they are able to continue their activities under different pseudonyms, the most well known of which are: The Lions, the Rotary Club, The Leons, and other such evil movements, all of which are incompatible and inconsistent with Islamic tenants.
The strong links between the Masons and international Zionist Jewry has become absolutely clear to all of the people. By such means they have been able to control the activities of many leaders in Arab and other countries in the matter of Palestine, and they have prevented them from carrying out many of their obligations with respect to this most important matter, to the advantage of the Jews and the international Zionists.
For this reason and many other detailed facts concerning the dangerous activities of the Masons, their evil deception and cunning designs, the Fiqh Academy has determined that the Masons are one of the most dangerous, destructive organizations to Islaam and the Muslims. And that whoever joins them, knowing the truth of them and their aims, is a disbeliever in Islaam who should be avoided. And Allaah is the Granter of success.
Director: ‘Abdullah bin Humaid Director of the Higher Judicial Council in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Permanent Committee for Research and Verdicts
Fatawa Islamiyah, vol.1, p.325, DARUSSALAM
Salafiyyah in Columbus, Ohio USA
Many people have asked me about the Salafi community in Columbus, Ohio, so maybe it would be easier for me to just post the information for those who want to know.
The community of Salafis in Columbus is probably one of the best to live in as far as the United States is concerned. The reasons for this are varied.
We have many knowledgable people here, both men and women, of all ages. We have elder Salafis from overseas, some of whom are students of knowledge.
More than half of the Salafiyyuun here are foreign born, and at least half of them speak Arabic, regardless of their nationality. Furthermore, if you do not speak Arabic, the brothers and sisters here who do are quite willing to teach.
The other half of our community is a collection of American people of all different ethnic backgrounds, most of whom have moved here from various cities around the United States. Salafis have come here seeking to benefit from our classes and our community from such places as New York City, New Jersey, Philadelphia, San Diego, Los Angeles, and Alaska to name a few.
The members of this community are a very tight-knit group, much like a large family. New members are welcomed warmly, and they are strongly encouraged to participate in our regularly scheduled classes and duruus. The fitnah of harshness often seen in the East Coast has not been felt here. Acquiring knowledge is the focus. We have a large library from which our students of knowledge draw their teaching materials, and we keep a constant connection with the Scholars of the Sunnah from overseas.. so much so, that they know the name of our masjid mashallah and often send their salaams to us. We love them and they love us.
There are also side benefits of living in Columbus, such as easy access to a large Muslim community and all of their businesses. The Muslim population of Columbus numbers over 100,000 by my estimation. The largest ethnic group are the Somalis, who probably number somewhere around 70,000.
Columbus is a medium sized city, but has a small town feel because it is relatively quiet. Crime is not a big problem here. These factors allow us to give more attention to our ibaada, our studies, and our families. The cost of living is very inexpensive, and there are plenty of jobs available. Every salafi that has moved here and looked for work, has found it within a couple of weeks as far as I know of. Most jobs here begin at about $10-12 per hour, which is sufficient for the local economy. Rent is cheap and housing is abundant. Decent, clean, two-bedroom apartments and townhouses can be found everywhere, costing usually from $350 per month to $550, depending on the size and location. Housing can be obtained within this price range relatively close to the Masjid as-Sahaaba or Masjid as-Salaama.
This location is a good place for salafis looking to seek knowledge while in America, and to get away from the distractions of the dunya. It would also serve as a good place for people to prepare for eventual hijrah to a Muslim country, due to the combination of factors I have mentioned above.
The following people may be contacted for reference concerning Salafiyyah in Columbus, Ohio USA.
Abdijaliil al-Ghaani
Abdirahmaan al-Afriiqi
Abdirahmaan Umaysaan
Abdullah al-Ansaari
Abu-Abdisalaam al-Guyaani
Abu-Muhammad al-Maghribi
Hasan as-Somali
Khaalid Abdirahmaan
Khaliif Abdisaamad
Muhammad al-Yaasiin
Shaykh Aa’id ash-Shimmari
Shaykh Abdiaziiz al-Bur’i
Shaykh Abdiaziiz ar-Rays
Shaykh Abdihamiid al-Juuhani
haykh Abdikariim al-Hajuuri
Shaykh Abdiraqiib al-Ulaabi
Shaykh Abdisalaam as-Suhaymi
Shaykh Abdullaah al-Aryaani
Shaykh Abu-Yamiin al-Mansuuri
Shaykh Ahmad al-Waadi’i
Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmi
Shaykh Ahmad Bazmuul
Shaykh Abdinaasir Jaama’
Shaykh Abdiqaadir Ukaasha
Shaykh Fu’aad al-Amri
Shaykh Hasan Abdul-Wahhaab al-Bannaa
Shaykh Jamaal al-Haarithi
Shaykh Jamiil al-Utmi
Shaykh Maahir al-Qahtaani
Shaykh Ma’maar Dahaan
Shaykh Muhammad Abdidaahir
Shaykh Muhammad al-Haajari
Shaykh Muhammad al-Imaam
Shaykh Rabii’ al-Madkhali
Shaykh Saalih as-Suhaymi
Shaykh Tawfiiq al-Ba’daani
Shaykh Ubayd al-Jaabiri
Shaykh Usaama al-Utaybi
Shaykh Uthmaan Mu’aalim
Shaykh Uthmaan as-Saalimi
Shaykh Uthman ad-Daarami
Shaykh Yahyaa al-Hajuuri
Correction: Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmi has since passed away, rahimahullaah.
Life after the Salafi Cult – I read your story, indeed your practising life seems very sad. Your wife went from the high to the low. There are many lessons in your life that had you both known the manhaj then this would not have occured. Firstly, all sisters must know that divorcing a brother for no valid reason would equate to not even being able to smell the fragnance of Jannah see Sunan Abee Daawood book of divorce. So brother look at your ex wife now behaving like a kaafir, does the hadeeth ring a bell? Make contact with your wife and show her the hadeeth perhaps she may repent and come back to Islaam.
Those Salafee brothers who give a telephone list of who is “on” and off” these brothers are the most ignorant of the Salafee Da’wah, you will find most of them like parrots not aware of basics of the deen but try and show they are like Yahyaa bin Ma’een and Bukhaaree of our times.
Any brother labelling another person a deviant and causing confusion in the communities are not those who truly understand al Walaa wal baraa. This should not be done, except under the conditions. Indeed Rifqan of Shaykh Abdul Muhsin teaches a great deal about softness with dealing with the brothers.
My nasheehah to you is that read the story of Prophet Ayyub and realise that life is a great fitnah pre ordained by Allaah. Whoever preserves his obligatory duties to Allaah then Allah will guide and protect him. So blame who you want, but I blame myself for failing and not others. Indeed, we had no idea what Salafiyyah was until we left the extreme Salafi Publications and TROID cult.
Thank you brother for sharing your experience. I too experienced a similar experience. My experience is slightly more shocking because I led a lot of so called brothers to the Green Lane mosque in birmingham. These salafi cowards and those who use the Ayat of the quran against the Maccan Mushriks for describing the vast majority of the sacred sunni ummah are aslo woman beaters, child abusers, murderers, drug dealers and ALLAH knows what else. I haven’t got time for them. I work in the media dude!!!
Allah is sufficient as a witness and a protector against those that seek to kill and maim muslims across the globe.
May Allah bless you and increase you. May Allah grant you success in this life and the hereafter. Stay beautiful brother.
bismillah
ASA.
dear brother – my heart is full of pain for you; my chest is so heavy with agony that I am even leaning forward towards my keyboard because of its weight, subhan’allah. I have met SO many sisters,from germantown (philly) especially, that are wonderful knowledgeable BOYCOTTED sisters on account of some trivial dispute that could easily have been walked away from.
its not that salafia is all bad but it is missing the key element that makes islam change us from the inside out and that is tasawwuf (purification of the heart) – it is the beating heart of Islam.
the outward manifestation of a muslim should be shariah while the inside should be (here comes that t-word again) tasawwuf – constantly cleansing this morsel of flesh that is our heart
one can never claim to be “completely upon” what the righteous predecessors were upon when they are devoid of tasawwuf which can be traced DIRECTLY back through ‘ali and abu bakr who were some of the closest companions of our beloved nabi muhammad sallallaho alahie wa sellam – ibn wahab came along about 250 years ago having been upset with some”goofy sufis” who had gone astray and decided that all aspects of sufism are bid’ah which is why salafis tend towards being so harsh having the tenderness of asceticism stripped away from them.
Is is not something to wonder at whe nlistening to a person say that they are upon what the righteous predecessors were upon when this whole salafi thing is evidently a MODERN interpretation of Islam?? Modern as in new as in NOT what was being taught before, other wise the revolution of salafia would never have been possible had it not risen out of opposition to something which was established,that something being traditional islam?? every so called sufi you meet will likely be one like shaykh hamza yusuf, or imam zaid shakir who glows with so much kindness and nur that it is hard to be in their presence without remembering ALLAH and feeling as if you are on the brink of shedding tears. this is perhaps why various west coast communities have not experienced this level of fitnah, I encourage you to come to places like haywayrd california,or seattle, washington to rebuild you family.
If you haven’t already – pray istikharah about giving tasawwuf a try let Allah guide you and do what is best for your family which iA i feel that you will. Feel free to email me for some contacts of brothers who may be able to help provide traditional sources of islamic learning as well as other types of help concerning your situation. You have taken such a huge fall,iA you are a true mujahid for this! AMEEN! wasalaam
- sincerely,
sleepless in seattle ( only because i pray tahajjud! lol!)
Asalama Alaikum Warahmatulahi Wabarakatuhu…
Akhii I am truly sorry for what you have been through and I apologize on behalf of those without manners who treated you thus.
However please understand that Islam and the Salafi Dawah is perfect….BUT people are not akhii.
Many times the young and ignorent will mistreat someone merelt because they raised a question.
Here in the UK where I live we have a wonderful community and our masjid is multi-cultural alhamduliah. Here as soon as you enter the masjid and the lessons you feel at peace because before we learn anything about the Salafi Dawah we learn Aqeedah Tawheed, manners etc and we are taught to love a muslim for the sake of Allah and not speak without knowledge and certainly not boycot without knowledge (e.g. the person is openly commiting shirk and will not repent)
Please akhii do not abandon this Dawah for indeed it is pure and not a sect…it was never a sect thought it may appear so due to ignorent and cruel people who do not practise what they preach.
Here in London if we see a sister spreading hate against a fellow muslim for not being ’salafi’ then indeed we advice her to speak good or hold her tongue.
Sallafiyya is not something that occurs over night but a life time misson to implement everything like the Prophet Sallahu Alyewasalam.
So I advice you akhii to follow the Quran and the Sunnah upon the understanding of the Salaf and stay away from those who did this to you for indeed they have oppressed their fellow brother.
Again akhii I do not know exaclty why they boycotted you but if it is as you say then May Allah reward you for your patience and preserverence.
Ps we all get tested by Allah especially when we have found the truth.
Tarimi…Please desists from sperading sufism…this sect has been refuted many times and some of the sects within sufism are not even considered muslim.
However I invite you to the Quran and the sunnah without innovation.
Think about it at least you owe it to yourself.
AsSalamu Aleikum.
Brtohers these Salafis are pure evil their belief is based on Muhamed bin Abdulwahab who killed tens of thousands of muslim if not hundreds thousands of muslim and he and his saudi king recived money from the British to fight the muslim ottoman empire.
Prophet Muhamed (PBUH) reported in a hadith that the one who will help the evil will come from NAJD and it is there where the Wahabi/Salafi founder is from!
Did you know that the 6 most iimportant collectors of hadith where following a Madhab like Imam shafi (ra) or Iman hanafi (ra)etc. The great “Saladin” was also following the madhab of shafii. these Salafis teaches you to not to follow them and they almost got me brainwashed but I was saved by the will of ALLAH! Remember brother the majority of the muslims can not be wrong based on a hadith of the prophet (PBUH) and these Salafis are a small minority of 2-5% of the Ummah! The rest follows one of the 4 madhabs and this has passed the test of time and over 1300 years they have been there.
I hope you will have a god health and avoid these people because they are helpers of the Dajjal!
Saleh al din, indeed what you utter is a lie but alhamduliah more people are taking this pure dawah to their hearts and we will not be discuraged by one such as yourself.
And no we teach to follow all of them in that which is autentic!
You say we are helpers of the dajjal?
Acudubillah I will hold that against you until you repent.
Inshallah you really need to do research I am surprised at your level of Ignorence.
Aslamualikum wr wb
Jazak’Allah khair for the info bro, i too was drawn into the salafi cult a while back, but after a handful of conferences in B’ham and doing ishtikhara for a whole week i suddenly started to have many questions and became VERY ANGRY with this cult so much so that i started arguing with them and yes everytime i had a valid point i would be shunned by the sisters (apparently they could not answer my questions) but used to hammer the EVIL rhetoric they’d learned down my throat without UNDERSTANDING it themselves!.
BTW the prophet saw was not a SALAFI. He was a muslim, what gives these halfwits the right to accuse others of being manafiq or mubtadis, ok maybe their are some extreme sufis and shias who are upon bidah and quite rightly should be avoided as bidah is in the fire etc but those who are ahle sunnah and not of these two extremes and who follow shaykhs who are not controlled by the saudis but choose to follow Allah swt messenger (saw) should not be called these.
Alhumdolillah for the ishtikhara , i was so into this group , i really wanted it to be the one as it SEEMED so strict. All praise is due to Allah azza wajal who has guided you and me, if in any doubt i urge EVERYONE HERE to do the ishtikhara too as Allahs guidance is true guidance not some madhkali shaykh who gives fatwas on the demand of king fahd.
Pls dont worry you are only 41 and insha’Allah you can get married again and start afresh, i am not surprised your wife burnt out with all their hate mongering. I pray that Allah swt makes it easy for you, ameen.
Umm Ezakiel
If you accept salafi to be the right way then you have to accept others preaching sufism, but you are quick to mention that some sufi sects “are not considered muslim”. Why cant you accept others as simly “Muslims” because they share the five pillars of Islam with you. Accept diversity within Islamic thought.
as salaamu alaikum
how about some stories about peoples’ burnouts?
Aslammualikum
I too went to a conference not so long ago where i saw abu khadeeja (abdul waheed i believe is his real name) and he would not pray for the palestinians, implying that some people get punished as a result for their sins, as far as there is ijma that only Allah swt knows who is sinful and who is being punished or tested (and the prophet saw at times), so what gives abu khadijah at Birmingham the right to say this, does he have wahi from Allah himself?
Secondly he made fun off dr zakir naik, peace tv and other shaykhs belittling them and laughing at them with his cronies….and suggested we dont watch islam channel, saying, what is that, is this where you take your islam from’ [laughs] subhan’Allah does this brother know how to even give nasheeha?. I stopped going after this, by the way its common knowledge that abu khadijah once fought in bosnia (as a terrorist) and then decided to quit and then tell the authorities about other bros who were doing EXACTLY what he did….what a hypocrite. If the salafi masjid dont want to continue losing people they should get rid of the likes of him. What an idiot.
UMM ezekiel
the bro has raised an important point…
The land of Najd, which for two centuries has been the crucible of the Wahhabi doctrine, is the subject of a body of interesting hadiths and early narrations which repay close analysis. Among the best-known of these hadiths is the relation of Imam al-Bukhari in which Ibn Umar said:
‘The Prophet (s.w.s.) mentioned: “O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give us baraka in our Yemen.” They said: “And in our Najd?” and he said: “O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give us baraka in our Yemen.” They said: “And in our Najd?” and I believe that he said the third time: “In that place are earthquakes, and seditions, and in that place shall rise the devil’s horn [qarn al-shaytan].”’
There are many hadiths in which the Messenger (s.w.s.) praised particular lands. It is significant that although Najd is the closest of lands to Makka and Madina, it is not praised by any one of these hadiths. The first hadith cited above shows the Messenger’s willingness to pray for Syria and Yemen, and his insistent refusal to pray for Najd. And wherever Najd is mentioned, it is clearly seen as a problematic territory. Consider, for instance, the following noble hadith:
Amr ibn Abasa said: ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) was one day reviewing the horses, in the company of Uyayna ibn Hisn ibn Badr al-Fazari. [...] Uyayna remarked: “The best of men are those who bear their swords on their shoulders, and carry their lances in the woven stocks of their horses, wearing cloaks, and are the people of the Najd.” But Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) replied: “You lie! Rather, the best of men are the men of the Yemen. Faith is a Yemeni, the Yemen of [the tribes of] Lakhm and Judham and Amila. [...] Hadramawt is better than the tribe of Harith; one tribe is better than another; another is worse [...] My Lord commanded me to curse Quraysh, and I cursed them, but he then commanded me to bless them twice, and I did so [...] Aslam and Ghifar, and their associates of Juhaina, are better than Asad and Tamim and Ghatafan and Hawazin, in the sight of Allah on the Day of Rising. [...] The most numerous tribe in the Garden shall be [the Yemeni tribes of] Madhhij and Ma’kul.’ (Ahmad ibn Hanbal and al-Tabarani, by sound narrators. Cited in Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, Majma‘ al-zawa’id wa manba‘ al-fawa’id [Cairo, 1352], X, 43).
The Messenger says ‘You lie!’ to a man who praises Najd. Nowhere does he extol Najd – quite the contrary. But other hadiths in praise of other lands abound. For instance:
Umm Salama narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) gave the following counsel on his deathbed: ‘By Allah, I adjure you by Him, concerning the Egyptians, for you shall be victorious over them, and they will be a support for you and helpers in Allah’s path.’ (Tabarani, classed by al-Haythami as sahih [Majma‘, X, 63].) (For more on the merit of the Egyptians see Sahih Muslim, commentary by Imam al-Nawawi [Cairo, 1347], XVI, 96-7.)
Qays ibn Sa‘d narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) said: ‘Were faith to be suspended from the Pleiades, men from the sons of Faris [south-central Iran] would reach it.’ (Narrated in the Musnads of both Abu Ya‘la and al-Bazzar, classified as Sahih by al-Haythami. Majma‘, X, 64-5. See further Nawawi’s commentary to Sahih Muslim, XVI, 100.)
Allah’s Messenger said: ‘Tranquillity (sakina) is in the people of the Hijaz.’ (al-Bazzar, cited in Haythami, X, 53.)
On the authority of Abu’l-Darda (r.a.), the Messenger of Allah (s.w.s.) said: ‘You will find armies. An army in Syria, in Egypt, in Iraq and in the Yemen.’ (Bazzar and Tabarani, classified as sahih: al-Haythami, Majma‘, X, 58.) This constitutes praise for these lands as homes of jihad volunteers.
‘The angels of the All-Compassionate spread their wings over Syria.’ (Tabarani, classed as sahih: Majma‘, X, 60. See also Tirmidhi, commentary of Imam Muhammad ibn Abd al-Rahman al-Mubarakfuri: Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi bi-sharh Jami‘ al-Tirmidhi, X, 454; who confirms it as hasan sahih.)
Abu Hurayra narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s) said: ‘The people of Yemen have come to you. They are tenderer of heart, and more delicate of soul. Faith is a Yemeni, and wisdom is a Yemeni.’ (Tirmidhi, Fi fadl al-Yaman, no.4028. Mubarakfuri, X, 435, 437: hadith hasan sahih. On page 436 Imam Mubarakfuri points out that the ancestors of the Ansar were from the Yemen.)
‘The people of the Yemen are the best people on earth’. (Abu Ya‘la and Bazzar, classified as sahih. Haythami, X, 54-5.)
The above hadiths are culled from a substantial corpus of material which records the Messenger (s.w.s.) praising neighbouring regions. Again, it is striking that although Najd was closer than any other, hadiths in praise of it are completely absent.
This fact is generally known, although not publicised, by Najdites themselves. It is clear that if there existed a single hadith that names and praises Najd, they would let the Umma know.
AsSalamu ‘Alaykum,
May Allah (SWT) ease your burden. Ameen
I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that Rabi al-Madkhali’s followers all turn out to be FBI informants who used salafiyyah to wreck our beautiful deen of Islam.
Shaykh Rabia doesnt have any followers….The prophets and messengers do……nihalk1….. slow up on back biting the scholars…….”.The Flesh of scholars is poison”(tariq ad-damasq)…..The only people that work close with the federaleees is the stinkin soofees like far-rat ruhbani…….unlizzted2009
Allahu Alam…
All I know is that a couple brothers in my community disbanded our youth group, labeled us all mubtadi’, said we waged war on the sunnah, and than walked away.
When asked why, or from where they came with this ideology, they said it all goes back to Abu Hafsah Kashiff Khan who is a student of Rabee’ al-Madkhali, ‘Ubayd al-Jabiri, and others.
Anytime there was khayr in my community a couple of years ago, these brothers came and took it away.
Nihalk1,
I understand what you are saying. Kashiff Khan is not student of Shiekh Rabee or Ubayd for that matter. There brothers capitalized on our ignorance, and now the Abu Muslimah and Muhammad Adly situation seems so much more clear. The two of them represent the last men standing when we look back.
In defense of Shiekh Rabee, he has no idea to the magnitude at which these people have lied and played both sides of the fence. Culturally things we are even discussing would bring him to tears. It is unfortunate that these brothers have turned the masses of Muslims away from legitimate scholars of Islaam. If you agree or not that is your choice but there scholarship speaks for itself.
So what is Sh. Rabi’s ideology? Because these brothers in my community (atleast when I used to speak to them about this issue a couple of years back) link everything back to him saying that he is using the fatawa of Sh. Bin Baz, Uthaymeen, and Albani to substantiate his claim that most of the ummah is deviant, our community is deviant, and our Imam is deviant, and everyone and their dad is deviant.
They also say that you can’t stand up to tyranny when it is presented in the form of an evil ruler or such. While staying firm on this issue, these same people forbid voting yet praise the Saudi Kingdom like its Jannah…
If Kashiff Khan isn’t a student of these scholars, than why is it than that anytime his name is advertised, its always said that “He attended the sittings of Shaykh ‘Ubayd bin Abdillah Al-Jaabiree as well as Shaykh Rabee’ bin Haadee al-Madkhalee.” (Taken from YouthofDarulislah.wordpress.com)?
Some naseehah
Your problem should be with the people NOT fully understanding salaffiyah! And NOT the SALAFI Dawah!! For sure the Saladi dawah is correct, pure and authentic, however Shaytaan has managed to poison it by the muslims’ zeal turning into pride and arrogance ( eg Abdul is not Salafi enough for me to associate with, i am a better Salafee than Abdul, so let me boycott him because the people would say i associate with mubtadees.. etc). So dont lose faith or reject this dawah…it is your salvation ( as the Ark of Nuh was during the great flood).
Well….I’m not Salafi either…..
Muslims are becoming too occupied with debating aqeedah these days. What is going on? Muslims with no knowledge debating the meaning of Allahs’ attributes. I say stop and protect your own souls from such debates as there is the risk that you may say something that puts you out of Islam. The aqeedah of ahlul sunnah wa jammat is a simple one and it is clear La Ilah ilalla. We should avoid debating the finer points of aqeedah and leave it to those who have the knowledge. Imam Tahawi’s list of aqeedah principals is sufficient and we should not debating their meaning without knowledge and accept them as is stated.
The ashari and maturidi schools are there to set the limits of what can be said about the aqeedah of the ahlul sunnah wa jammat and going beyond them is an error. The vast majority of muslims do not need further explanation of the aqeedah as their eman is well established within the deen. As for those who have doubts then the answers are in the the schools of ashari and maturidi.
The ashari and maturidi schools came into existence as Islam spread out of Arabia and came into contact in the west with Greek and Roman civilizations and in the east with Hindu and Chinese civilisations. The 2 schools stopped the influence of these civilisations from infecting the deen and corrupting the muslims beliefs.
Nowadays the threat to the deen comes from Evolution and Darwinism and some muslims are being influenced by such theories. No doubt a scholar will arise among the ummah and give us the tools to fight back such corrupt ideas based on the sources of the deen just like the Imams of the ashari and maturidi schools did in the past.
Therefore I would say to muslims stop picking arguments regarding the finer points of aqeedah because such arguments have no value except that they may make you say something kufr.
To the salafi and other brothers and sisters STOP DEBATING AQEEDAH as it is causing fitnah in the ummah and resulting in muslims boycotting other muslims.
No doubt there will be those who disagree with me and enjoy debating and arguing about the finer points of aqeedah as a pass time or something that brings them together for a social occassion.
@ JustMuslimBro
Thanks for the advice. But we’re not discussing aqeedah…we’re discussing a whole lifestyle.
Too many people with fancy dress outfits, like nursery kids dressing up as Cowboys and Indians, i guess they having a go at the Salafi outfits!! all beard – no action….
salaam 2 evry body!!
intersting point this “salafi burnout” .
i just think 2 many brothers r out der n all they doin is givin da’wah goin 2 the masjid n comin home n doin the same thing again!!
dunno what it is but i honestly believe that the hardcore thinkers n talkers seem like a group n gang n wen kids or youths c sumthin brand new n almost soldier typ its exciting, they wanna b part of it!
they 4get bt evrythin, but ther deen, but 4gettin ther deen consists of evrythin n not just doin the usual dawah, group talks n hanging wit the brothers!!
i think the mercy and compassion is essential in bein a muslim witout that islam wud have never had prevailed, u think if rasoolallah saw was harsh n stern like this peopl wud b attracted 2 him??? never!
a boy came 2 him one tym n had the nerve 2 ask a prophet of allah pbuh 2 giv him the permission 2 commit zina, SUBHANA’ALLAH!!
did rasoolallah saw turn him away in disgust???……………no he askd him several question abt his mother or sister commitin zina n made dua 4 him!!
imajin the natur of rasoolallah saw???
he used 2 offer his seat 2 his daughter fatima ra!
he used 2 play with his wife!
he use 2 sow!
he used 2 sweep!
his natur was mild n welcoming! n wen u get brothers n sisters who r harsh in nature it can actually cause a lot mor fear, unease n distrust amongst the ummah!!
subhana’allah may allah swt give these brothers n sisters ease in ther hearts n minds!!
islam is the deen of ease it is the natural way of being, let it b ur life n let ur self take it in comfortably rather than makin it a harsh rigid routine or schedule!!
sad, really sad!
in the u.k u get a lotta im a salafi n ima this n ima that!! cant deal wit it nemor may allah swt preserv this deen n save it from its “followers”!!
it is us who has corrupted the imaj of islam, i hang my hed in shame because i have the title of muslimah yet i cant evn carry it!! subhana’allah
what an honour 2 have… i am a muslim… pls brothers n sisters lets honour this title n try 2 do sum justice 2wards it!
b open for a talk whether they b christian, jew, non practsing bros n sistas, even homosexual. subhana’allah it is our duty 2 enjoin what is good and forbid what is evil in the most productive n best of ways!! shunning ones emotions n beliefs n n makin urself superior dus nuthin but brush the problem under the carpet, which will pile up n later on become not just visible 2 u, but 2 evrybody around u, n a bigger problem 2 fix, we as muslims have enuff battles 2 fyt wit this dunya n kuffars, y this animosity between ourselves??
lets b part of the solution not the problem!!
ameen
masalaama xxx
Allah (azza wa jal) guides whomsoever he will and misguides whomsoever he wills.
Ya Salafiyyah!!! O people of the Sunnah, O lovers of the Kitab, O followers of Islam!!!!
Can you see how people of desires speak? How they try to influence their misguided heart on you? How they took the path of shubhat, the path of innovation??
Stay steadfast my brothers and sisters and dont forget ”Our dawah and our aqeedah is more beloved to us than our own selves, our wealth and our offspring. So we are not prepared to part with it for gold, nor silver. We say this so that no one may have hope in buying out our dawah, nor should he think that ”
Asalamu Alaykum,
May Allah have mercy upon you akhi,
We must remember that this world is a test, and a prison for the believers.
After that I must add that the religion is not judged by the actions of muslims. Rather the religion of al-islam is judged by the Quran and the Sunnah, with the understanding of the sahabah. The religion is based on daleel(evidence) and many people especially in the west lose this principle. Akhi may allah have mercy upon you and raise you and your children among the righteous.
Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah (rahima-hullaah) said:
Indeed the people of Truth and the Sunnah do not follow anyone [unconditionally] except the messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam), the one who does not speak from his desires – it is only revelation revealed to him
I stumbled upon your blog by accident. I don’t normally comment on blogs but I couldn’t stop myself this time.
Subhanallah brother. If you read your words…they almost made me cry. You are strong and at least you found your way to the true path. Islam is a religion of moderation. The religion of the middle way. Not a faith of extremes. People are prone to extremes.
I found your blog when I was doing research on hijrah. A friend I met through the net is ,what I am now realizing is, a member of the Salafis. I was born muslim and I guess mainstream muslim. I pray, I do not wear hijab,give Zakaat, fast, been to hajj but the best part of my faith is my relationship with the Divine Creator. I feel love, not anger. I feel hope, not despair. I feel a closeness to Allah and love for Him that overwhelms me. I feel safe in my Love for Him.
My friend, in my conversations with him, reminds me of what I’m reading on your blog and a light bulb is going on. Multiple wives, following Islam LITERALLY and leaving the spirituality, the essential beauty of Allah’s love, forgiveness, patience and bounty towards fellow humans out.
I have no experience with this form of Islam. I am learning that it is common among converts. We started to argue about the concept of Hijrah. He said I could not move to find a good man to marry. “You cannot make Hijrah to marry”. Who said anything about Hijrah. I do not need to move to be muslim.
My reply: Allah is everywhere. He is not restricted to 1 nation or 1 land. He is All that is Good, Most Merciful, Most Forgiving. His names are 99.
Brother stay strong. Allah is going to give you a HUGE reward for raising those children. Inshallah I’m sure you won’t be on your own for long.
I don’t know but the sentiment behind your words touched me. I will do dua for your bro. Salaams.
@ Abu Ahmed….
I hope you mean “Ya Muslimeen” and not “Ya Salafiyyah…”
Akhi, keep up the blog. I was burnout completely and just now getting back to where i can practice deen. In a nutshell its a bunch of ex-negroes ( black folks) + some bad manners and harshness that makes the so called salafi communities just awful to be around. These folks are harsh and have bad manners…
“a member of the Salafis.”???? I think that comment proves the intention and understanding of some people. Salafiyyah is not a club, a clique, a fad, a fashion, or a cult. It is Islam. Sadly there have been those who made it into what it is not. That is simply because of our upbringing in the West. We feel we have to attach ourselves to something like a gang in order to feel empowered or in order to feel we are making a difference. If the people take a step back and learn what it is to be upon the methodology of the Salaf they will truly understand that our understanding in the West is flawed. The only way we can achieve this understanding is with knowledge and not by sitting at home talking about what people did in the past to hurt us. People will be people regardless of their attachments and just as we tell the non muslims that you cannot judge Islam by the actions of some ignorant muslims then again, you cannot judge Salafiyyah in the same manner. Salafiyyah is Islam in its proper understanding and nothing more.
a member of the Salafis.”???? I think that comment proves the intention and understanding of some people. Salafiyyah is not a club, a clique, a fad, a fashion, or a cult. It is Islam. Sadly there have been those who made it into what it is not. That is simply because of our upbringing in the West. We feel we have to attach ourselves to something like a gang in order to feel empowered or in order to feel we are making a difference. If the people take a step back and learn what it is to be upon the methodology of the Salaf they will truly understand that our understanding in the West is flawed. The only way we can achieve this understanding is with knowledge and not by sitting at home talking about what people did in the past to hurt us. People will be people regardless of their attachments and just as we tell the non muslims that you cannot judge Islam by the actions of some ignorant muslims then again, you cannot judge Salafiyyah in the same manner. Salafiyyah is Islam in its proper understanding and nothing more.
Raised
200,000 Hits and COUNTING = 200,000 backbiting SINS and COUNTING = 200,000 deeds and COUNTING taken away from salafiburnout’s account?
Fear Allah, t’ala! Fear the day when your sins will haunt you and Allah will expose the sinners in front of all of Mankind! Fear the day that when people will be burnt out in the Fire because of their tongues!!!
Do you really think, in all honest to your own self, that in all this website, filled with page talking about other Muslims, that you have not backbitten AT LEAST one person (even by mistake)? What is the likelihood of that? If you’ve backbitten even 1 person, for each person who sees that page, you get a sin. That sin will be magnified just like the counter on your site. The sins would continue to pill up until one of three things happens:
a. The Day of Judgment comes (WORSE-CASE SCENARIO)
b. The site’s account expires
c. You repent sincerely and destroy the contents of this site
Hopefully you choose option c, otherwise you’d better be doing tahajjud every night! Can you imagine standing before THE LORD OF THE WORLDS with over 1,000,000 (hits) sins (from this site alone)!!!!!!! Are you willing to take that chance?
The choice is yours and so are the consequences.
May Allah t’ala guide us to the Straight Path.
salam alaikoum wa rahmatou allah wa barakatouh
iam a muslim from algeria living in germany.i use to leave in london .i know this kind of people you are talking about i personly call them talafi not salafi .talaf means..a lost person ,they talk the whole day about tawhid but in fakt they worship other humain being.so called scholars and i call them spys ,they spy for the americain agains the muslims.and they hate the mujahidin
salafiya means spying for the jews
alhamdulillah that allah show the right face of those spys .this group of madkhali ,they are the purest enemy of islam ,during the war in gaza ,they annonced here in germany that hamas and muslims in gaza are not sunna so we must not suport them.those dirthy salafi those treaters they hate the mujahidin like ben laden and zerkawi .rahimahu allah, but all saooud and the arab regimes are for them the correct muslims.my brothers we should all ignore this talafi group for ever,they are our pure enemy
al madkhali is a chaitan .and a servent of the jews. allah give him his place between arab leaders in jahannam inshaallah
“not salafi but talafi” “Salafiya means spying for mi5 and mi6 enemy within”……You are a coward living in london and a supporter of terrorism and if you comeback to this website again posting I will ask the owner of the website to take your IP number and submit it to the london authorities and have you arrested and deported and sent back to the muslim country you come from you irhaabeee throwback!!!!!!!!!!Bin laden is a terrorist and khariji as declared from the scholars. Hamas is a nationalistic ikhwani group they’re not fighting jihad. They’re fight the defensive jihad which they have no strength to do.
Well said Yusuf. I would like to add that people seem to forget that they have evil and sins on their hands as well. The site looks at peoples’ sins and scorns the ways of what it terms as “the salafi cult” and yet the people here are doing the exact same thing.
While I can definately understand the frustration, there is no excuse to take this low road.
to number 121 your response is a tepick talafia answer.what ever face you,you will jump to your brothers the police ,the kafir police,well lessen very well.we are not afraid of any one.even your kafir secret services ,i feel sory for you that you never meet the beauty of islam ,this beauty that make you feel free and not having fear of any body,beeing a mujahid is something else from being a talafi,and this experience by the will of allah you will never get it,because you have said there is no jihad in this life.may alllah burn you .you mourjia
i come across a article in 2004 when one in the americain senate said that rabee el madkhali is making progress in figthing the radical islamic ,i was soubanna allah schockt.yes ,making progress in fighthing the moujahidin,weil the moujahidin making progress in fighthing the koffar…..rabee el madkhali is a spy and a sevent of the koffar mi5 mi6 fbi cia mossade and much more kaffir,when any moujahid died you see the talafiya huppy just like their freinds the koffar
this is salafism? on June 1, 2009 said:
I, dismayed, just posted this on salafiburnout’s wigger lee’s sister site. The comment of ‘Sad Abdul- lie’ (most likely aka ‘happy to be gone’) pretty much says it all about the salafi cult
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Saad Abdullah Says:
June 1, 2009 at 12:37 am
In Sahih al-Bukhari the Prophet said to a man, “Did you F&*k [A Anihktaha] her?”
The Prophet was a mercy even to those of us who failed the bell curve.
Saad
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dismayed Says:
June 1, 2009 at 10:00 am
@ Sad Abdul Lie,
the depravity of you and your fellow wahhabi cultists truly staggers me! True to the wahhabi hallmark, you lack any respect when talking of the Best of Creation (Peace and blessings be upon him). What, attributing the f word? What are you on? And what the hell does Aniihktaha mean? looks more like sanskrit than Arabic? Go read the section in Qadi Ayad’s Shifa on the penalty for insulting the Messenger- it’s the death sentence, so watch out you wretched dog, something terrible’s coming your way- and by the way, for the crime of insulting the Prophet, even if one repents, the death sentence is still carried out!
You wahhabis, even when trying to sound religious cannot help but display the signs of wretchedness.
rabii and his folowers are dogs for rhe americain and the jews
asalamu laykum,
I hope no salafi is saying they are following the same manhaj of the prophet when they make lists of those who are on it and those who are not.
The proof is in the pudding and the eating, if it stinks and tasts bad then its NOT GOOD.
The salafis in the Middle east dont call them selves salafi, they follow the sunnah just like we are supposed to. They are muslims and they usually dont use what some modern sheik says to explain away a hadith that says the opposite.
Our religion is between you and Allah, keep strong! If I am wrong May Allah guide me if you are wrong may he do the same for you as I wish for myself.
Salamu laykum Musa
As salamu alaikum,
Shaykh Rabe’e and other ulema are not the problem. the problem is the fools who distort what the ulema says and lie to the ulema.Fear Alalh the flesh of the scholars is poison. May Allah preserve our ulema,ameen.
Barak Allahu feekum
I agree with you Musa. I dont agree with the part about modern shaykhs explaining something away. You have to give a clear example for us insha Allah.
Actually the problem is some of us follow the Ulema in a way that feels like taqleed. We dont want to hear any other opinions. I find that odd.
When we are told that the flesh of the scholars is poison…I always wonder how do we know the ones that are right from the ones that arent,
There are people who think that Wajdy is a Shaykh and for them HIS flesh is poison.
The remedy is to learn arabic in my opinion
Salaams,
A message to “your local imam” I think you should be called “Your local Shaitaan”.
Thanks for for proving that the talafis are spys.
Assalamu Aalaikum,
I have read your frustrations. It is true that some people who first learn about the Aqeedah without having true knowledge and understanding go around causing fitnah for many reasons. Maybe they act to0 fast instead of truly following the approach of the scholars. For example, The Three Fundamental Principles of Islaam. In the first Principle, it says, “Know, may Allaah have mercy upon you, that it is obligatory upon you to have knowledge of four matters:
i) Knowledge (al-Ilm), which is knowledge and awareness of Allaah, and knowledge of His Prophet, and knowledge of the religion of Islaam with the proofs.
ii)Action upon that.
iii)Calling to that.
iv) Patiently persevering and bearing any harm encountered upon that way.
It is clear that anyone who calls to the Aqeedah of the Prophet and his Companions has to have knowledge, and before calling to it has to Act upon that knowledge. Look at the people’s actions in implementing the aqeedah to decide whether they practice what they preach before you label what they are preaching to be false.
So if I’m calling to Islaam and I am a hypocrite or show a bad manner, of course people maybe turned away from Islaam. Guess what? I will be responsible for all those people that have turned away from Islaam and will have to answer for it in front of Allaah. Be not fooled, Islaam will not be tainted in the least and it is still the truth.
If we were to get discouraged from the actions of many muslim groups, those who go into extremism, many of us would be ashamed to be muslim. I have taught English and my students were reading “Kite Runner” which that muslim author who probably is non-practicing, Allaah knows best, paints a picture of Islaam based on the Taliban. So, I had to make clear to them what Islaam teaches and what it does not teach. I had to stand up for those things that to a dis-believer would seem to be harsh and also teach what Islaam does encourage that may be misconstrued by many muslims. This author put the dirty laundry out for all those people who do not understand Islaam to read but did this author take the time to teach the true principles of Islaam? NO!
We all know people within communities who are struggling with things. It is not good for us to put out dirty laundry out for the non-muslims to see. Did you once ever take the time to show what As-Salafiyyah does teach? No! All you did was try to distract the people with non-sense. So the blame would be upon you because people turn away from the Aqeedah. You even mentioned that you were confused so why now do you feel that you have the ability to stand up on your soap box and cause fitnah? You are no different from the people who you warn against.
There are many beautiful people who follow the aqeedah of the Saalifus-Saaalih And show good mannerisms and encourage people to the good, but from reading your posts nobody would ever think it.Why is it that you have never connected yourself with these types of people within the community you were in? Why is it that you do not give your name and hide behind the title Salfi Burnout? Why don’t you expose yourself so that those you attack can defend themselves?
When you responded to a post about Micheal Jackson from the way you were talking people thought you were into Salafist Extremism. So even your name is confusing. So you are calling against As-Salafiyyah, but to those who don’t know any better you appear to be a Salafi Extremist.
Most of the people in the West are in the first stage. Trying to learn Ilm.
i) Knowledge (al-Ilm), which is knowledge and awareness of Allaah, and knowledge of His Prophet, and knowledge of the religion of Islaam with the proofs.
And as we know, true knowledge is with the Scholars of Ahlul Sunnah. They are the ones who act upon their knowledge of Islaam and call people to Islaam and they are patient .
When have you reached out to the Scholars of Ahlul Sunnah to explain your frustrations and to get clarity on whether those actions of the few are truly deserving of being associated with As-Salafiyah? Maybe the scholar would have sat you down and given you some encouragement strengthening you in this deen.
I would not be surprised if all these people that have caused you fitnah have also left As-Salafiyah or have been warned against by the scholars. I just really try to find it hard to believe that you haven’t met any Salafis who were good! You complain and complain a lot ,but do you look within yourself to see if you are the cause of anything? Did you make sure that you have Ilm and have attached yourself to the people of knowledge?
So if you are confused about your religion you cannot blame anyone but your own-self and you are no different from the people whom you complain about. Contact these people who you backbite and give them a chance to explain themselves and don’t hide behind a ’stage name’.
You must have been one of those people you complain about because your Wife left you. So you fail to see the faults within yourself that caused that situation. Anyone who leaves Islaam because of someone else didn’t have Islaam within themselves to begin with. You probably introduced the Sister to as-Salafiyyah and did not have patience with her and you were harsh with her.
And for all those that want to comment negatively about what I have said, please save it for someone else who is weak and ignorant.
@ salafilady2612
wa laikum salam , I agree with you 100% , it is not the ulema who cause this , they dont mention it unless it is brought to them. We claim so many things yet we show the opposite , bashing a sister who doesnt wear all black , or blasting a brother who may not know what isbal is. we are immature in deen thats the bottom line.
I myself have gotten bashed because I didnt drive to the masjid 30 miles away for aqeedah classes. i can get those online without leaving my home , yet some said I wasnt salafi enough for the salafis , lol. But yet the same ” salafis” who sit in the classes have no job , 3 wives and ” chill” all day. Hmmmmmm.
Assalamu’alaikum brother (Salafi burnout),
Everything was peaceful in my hometown until the Wahabis took over. When I became Muslim in 1991 there was no such thing as Wahabis in my hometown and they were in small numbers in the United States at that time.
We used to call the mosque an “Islamic center” and we would have potlucks
and other gatherings. Muslims were united and alhamdulillah, everything was peaceful. But in 1995, they took over the mosque and rigged elections (by calling their Arab friends from out of town to vote, which is cheating). They put up papers on the bulletin board which said “such and such group is mushrik”, etc. One of them even said during a khutbah that “so and so are like the Jews” and said “they are kaffir”. Another wahabi corrected him and said he could not say that, but the damage was already done.
They changed the name of the Islamic center to only a “mosque” and they removed most of the books and dumped them, replacing them with books from Saudi scholars and books by Bilal Philips, Zarabozo, fatwas by Bin Baz and Albani, etc. They even put up a calendar in the masjid that had a picture on it and it said “Saudi Arabia” as if they were so proud of that place.
They were nice to me until one day I was talking with Shi’as outside the entrance to the masjid. Then they didn’t give me salam after that, perhaps as punishment for being friendly with other Muslims.
I left that town and moved to the southern United States where there were not many Wahabis. However, in 2002 they took over that mosque too and threatened to ban Tabligh brothers from coming over and even said that “I’m not saying this, but our scholar says Tabligh Jamaah will be in hellfire”.
The Wahabis were also the first group that said everything was haram. First they said music is haram, then some of them said TV is haram. I even heard that some of them prohibited sports. When I prayed with them I felt nothing. It was like a void.. lifeless… dead. It reminds me of a hadith where it said a group that shaves their heads will arrive and claim to be able to recite Qur’an better than other Muslims, but their recitation will not go past their throats and Islam will pass through them like an arrow. You will feel as if your prayer and fasting is not as good as theirs. I really wonder if that is describing the Wahabis. It seems to be, although not all of them shave their heads. I have seen many though with very short hair, but Allahu’alam.
I left the country and went to Malaysia and never encountered any Wahabis there. Later I went to Indonesia and got married and my wife told me how she used to be a “salafi” and how they said Yusuf Islam was an American intelligence agent and was evil because he played music, etc. They were just like the TROID people apparently. She said they interrupted her prayer one day when they noticed that she didn’t move her finger back and forth during tashahud. A girl grabbed her and broke her salaah. Crazy.
I later met a Wahabi girl online who was also Indonesian and she supported TROID and Salafi publications.
My wife’s sister married a good brother that later became Wahabi. He was told that TV was haram (by Arabs living in Indonesia). My wife’s sister couldn’t have TV or a camera or anything. He wouldn’t let her have more than $3 a day for food and wouldn’t let her buy a refrigerator.
Later, the Wahabi group split into another group due to what appeared to be PURGES. One group was open-minded and willing to hang out with non-Wahabis. They also said it was ok to watch TV and have a camera. The other group was opposed to these things and believed, like TROID, in being harsh with others.
In the few years that the Wahabis have been in Indonesia, they have now split into two or three groups and those groups do not associate with each other.
What brother SalafiBurnout has said rings true even in Indonesia. It is not an African-American phenomena. This is happening all over the world because the fundamentals of their da’wah must be false.
If their da’wah was based on the truth, Allah (swt) would protect them from disunity and from a harsh tongue.
When we pray shoulder to shoulder and toe to toe, the Shaitaan is not supposed to be able to cause disunity. However, their group is very much splintered.
They were harsh with people on Lombok island and the local people ended up burning down their masjid.
They are self-destructing.
On the other hand if you look at the other brothers such as the Ikhwan, they are united and strong and have seats in parliament. I am not with them as I don’t want to be in a sect, but from my observations as a mualaf (convert/revert), I have never seen a more vile sect than the Wahabis.
Your story, brother, really made me feel sad. I’m very sad you went through this. You have seen the true face of the Wahabis, brother.
My advice, and I do not claim to be a good or enlightened Muslim, is to avoid all sects, especially those that claim to be saved.
You are right that they are a cult. They display all the signs of a cult.
Jim Jones and the People’s Temple thought they were saved too. Look at what happened to them. For those who think Wahabis are not blind followers or a cult, do you think for once that they _ever question_ anything Bin Baz or Albani ever said? No. They never question it, but swallow it hook, line and sinker.
As another brother here in Indonesia said once, “The main enemy of the Wahabis is other Muslims.” So true… so very true.
Hussain..I dont know what you adhere to but I do know this. You want to come back to the USA because you believe that its the best place on the planet for ISLAM. For me that says it all but I have to tell you this…the problem with the Salafi dawa isnt the mesage..its the delivery. Its been delivered many times by those those who lack basic manners and finesse so what happens is they overdo the message and make it seem lesser than it is. For someone like me who has problems calling my self salafee(and thats from my nafs obviously) even I know that the way that calls to following the Salaf As Salih is the haqq, There cant be any other way.
You fall into the same hole of the ones that you speak about. Calling them names like “Wahabi” …I mean subhan Allah…what would you call the ones that came before that called to the same thing? PreWahabis? All this name calling is tired and if you want to be taken seriously you need to come with something better.
The dawa isnt false. Theres nothing false about calling to those things that the Prophet called do. What is false is the way that some go about explaining the dawa.Shaykh Ibn Baz and Shaykh Al Albanee are straight up legit scholars. Not like Syed Qutb or Hassan Al Banna. Those two (rahimuhullah) were 100% scholars. Did they make mistakes? Of course. To say they never did would be to go overboard but we respect them and take from their good and leave off from their bad.
Thats how we practice Islam.
Individuals will bastardize the deen by doing stuff that makes no sense. Making a sister live off of $3 a day etc.
But its not the Salafees who kill their daughters calling it honor killings. Its not the salafees that flew planes into the world trade center. Its not the salafees that lied on the companions of the prophet nor is it the salafees that are waiting for the last imam to emerge out of a cave.
We are all muslims and we should be united but on whats right. Not on whats wrong or deviated.
Do you get that? When you talk about everyone standing shoulder to shoulder and toe to toe…do you know that theres a HUGE chunk of muslims to whom that is strange?
If we cant stand together and united in salat..how do you expect us to stand united on anything else And the root of this deen is At Tawheed and all the fruitsthat come from it are beneficial to us in this dunyah and the ahkira.
You clearly have some issues with the way your life has gone. In your comments you have complained about where you live yet there you are. If you want to come back to the USA THAT badly then you will have to get a sponser for your wife. Its not that hard. Your mom or dad can do it. There are many brothers that I personally know who have successfully brought a wife to the US and havent lived here for years. SO rather than grip. Go get the relevant forms and come back.
The Muslims can unite if they all give up their sects. Will it actually happen? It’s rather doubtful, unfortunately. Don’t expect anyone to say one good word about Wahabis with all the damage they’ve created..especially calling people kaffir. I’ve heard it with my ears and read it on their websites. (we don’t call them salafis, because that would imply that foul language, invoking the curse of Allah SWT on other Muslims and compiling lists of who is “on it” and “off it” and making takfir is somehow the method of the beloved Salaf. I don’t want to insult the Salaf by equating them with modern-day “salafis”. I have too much respect for the Salaf to equate them with a cult.) Ibn Abdul-Wahhab is the great-grandfather of this movement. I know you are trying to bring up Ibn Tayimiyyah indirectly here, but he is revered by some Sufis. His ideas were taken out of context by Ibn Abdul-Wahhab. Ibn Taymiyyah and people after him never referred to themselves as “salafi”.
That’s a label other than Muslim, isn’t it?
Islam is our religion and Allah (swt) is satisfied with that. We are Muslims. Don’t call yourself by any other name but Muslim. There is _no_ precedent for picking some new name (that’s bid’ah by the way) for what is essentially a sect (a cult, if you ask my wife and SalafiBurnout).
Please don’t tell me how to return to the United States, as if I don’t know how.
I know all the facts, insha’Allah, as I have discussed this with a Muslim attorney experienced in immigration issues and also have spoken at length with the US embassy here.
“Your mom or dad can do it”. Nope. They believe in personal responsibility and are quite individualistic (also Catholic, although I pray that someday they embrace Islam, insha’Allah. Amin.). They don’t want to help. Why should a grown man ask his aging parents for help anyway?
Oh, I read your little snipe at my country up there. Nothing you say can change my belief that the US is the best place for Muslims at this time. Ironically, it is people like the Wahabis who think it is forbidden to criticize the leaders (even the non-Muslim leaders). Go enjoy sucking up to Hosni Mubarak or King Abdullah or whatever tin can tyrant dictator over there that you are pleased with.
Enjoy walking on pins and needles.
No thanks, I’ll take secular democracy over secular totalitarianism (hypocrisy) anyday.
“Its not the salafees that flew planes into the world trade center.”
Perhaps not, but the intolerant, narrow-minded, cultish views that Wahabism promotes surely is shared by those groups that did fly planes into the World Trade Center. (hatred of democracy, freedom, etc) As far as I am concerned, Bin Laden, is just a Wahabi that is radical or who went renegade. He rebels against the leaders and causes violence (allegedly), but the _basic_ beliefs he has are right in line with Wahabism, as is the case with the Taliban. Al-Qaida has basically the same aqidah as the Wahabis. They believe in Allah (swt) having literal attributes (anthropomorphism). Same anti-madhab stance. Same basic views. Only minor differences separate Bin Laden and the Taliban from Wahabism.
Bin Ladenism is Wahabism that lost its temper. (Remember though that there is no proof that Bin Laden was behind 9/11. It still could have been a false flag operation)
I also have a story here for SalafiBurnout’s blog about an “on the manhaj ’salafi’” by the name of Jamil that tried to steal my wife via the internet. She had befriended an American Muslim woman who was “upon the manhaj”, but the next time she talked to her, Jamil was there instead (but my wife didn’t know that) and then he says crap encouraging her to become his 3rd wife. SICKO.
A tree either produces good fruits or bad fruits. If the fruit is rotten (wahabis), then the root of the message is also BS.
Umm no I wasnt even thinking of Ibn Taymeeyah. I was thinking more along the lines of the people that followed Quran and Sunnah according to the Sahaba before ibn Abdul Wahab. See people like you want to think that calling to Islam according to the understanding of the salaf as salih is something new and innovated but it isnt.
It is Islam. The Prophet himself said that his Ummah would be divided into 73 sects of Islam and he said ALL would be in the fire EXCEPT for one. And when he was asked who would that saved sect be…he said those that are on what me and my companions were upon.
I dont think you can get much clearer than that. The debate is WHO are the saved sect.
We wont unite on misguidance so we are going to continue to be divided. Why? Because the Prophet of Allah(saw) said so.
As for making takfer..Umm the salafees that I know are not the first to call others kuffar and if thats teh case then please offer some examples.(Bet you cant do it)
Not for nothing but do you even know what Salafi means? It means one that ADHERES to the way of the salaf as salih. I dont choose to claim that for myself (deficiency in self) but I dont have a problem with those who call themselves…hanifi..shafiee…hanbale…maliki or any of the other ‘ees” that we have in Islam.
Actually you didnt know how to get back to the US with your wife. Thats why you had to go to a lawyer. Seeing as you were clearly so obviously angry and bent outta shape living where you are living….I figured Id give you some additional help. But yea I wish for your parents Islam because catholics arent even from Ahul Kitab.
And what snipe at the US? Its where I live. Silly rabbit.
And when you finish banging the keys of your laptop in the place that YOU chose to make hijrah to..the place where YOU are economically trapped(lol)…Ill be sitting here chilling chuckling at you in YOUR not so great promised land. lol. I got a giggle at you going to the US embassy…what did you do ask to be repatriated?(lol).
As for your wife. Well How long did she sit at the screen after she realised that she was talking to a man? Did she keep typing hoping that he was “for real for real”?
Maybe she wanted a real man not some sad angst ridden who doesnt even have the moola to get back to the place that he left for a “brighter day”. lol.
When I first read your comments I found you rather pathetic.
After reading these last ones I just find you sad.
Have yourself a good day yhear!
The true colors come out now. See, this is the way of the Wahabis. I won’t respond to the baseless insults against my family and I as that gives the Wahabi inferno more fuel.
The fact that you can’t recognize Catholics as Christian shows that you never took a religion class. Then again, Orientalists often refer to Wahabism as “Protestant Islam”, so I am not surprised you hate Catholics! lol
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503546660
Which Muslim Group Will be the Saved One?
Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.
Dear brother in Islam, we commend your eagerness to become well acquainted with Islam and its teachings, which is the way Allah has chosen for the welfare of His servants.
First of all, let us stress that Muslims should beware of all routes and channels that may lead to divisions, differences and conflicts among them. They should abide by the Qur’an and Sunnah, which are the assured means of salvation. Almighty Allah says: “And hold fast, all of you together, by the covenant of Allah and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah’s favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.” (Al `Imran: 103)
Moreover, it is totally wrong to claim that a particular group of Muslims is destined to hell-fire. Likewise, it is unlawful to specify a particular group to be the one that will be saved on the Day of Judgment as long as there is no specification of any group in the sources.
In response to the question in point, the European Council for Fatwa and Research issued the following fatwa:
“The hadith in question is the one that was narrated by Mu`awiyah Ibn Abi Sufyan, who reported that the Messenger of Allah said: “The People of the Book divided in their religion into seventy-two groups and this Ummah will divide into seventy-three groups, all of which are destined for hell-fire but one, which is the Group (al-Jama`ah).” (Narrated by Ahmad and Abu Dawud) Other companions also narrated hadiths carrying the same meaning but varying in the use of certain terms. Some did not mention the phrase “all of which are destined for hell-fire but one”. The scholars of hadith differed on the authenticity of this hadith and our response in regards to its meaning for those who considered it to be an authentic hadith is as follows:
The hadith stated the number of groups which this nation will divide into, but did not specify or name any one of those groups. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) also clearly stated that all those groups are from his Ummah, as though he (peace and blessings be upon him) aimed to warn his Ummah from dividing among themselves and to hold on to the Jama`ah, thus his warning, “all of which are in hell-fire”. It is important to understand that this warning, and other similar warnings in other hadiths, comes as a result of a Muslim committing a sin but by no means implies that the Muslim will remain in hell-fire for eternity as do the infidels. Rather, they (Muslims) enter hell-fire as sinful believers and are subject to the appeal of a prophet, angel or the believers. They may also have good deeds or have suffered great trials in the worldly life, which would result in the punishment of hell-fire being withheld. Above all, Allah may choose to forgive them and bestow upon them His mercies and blessings, particularly if those individuals had sincerely tried to find the true path but lost their way in that effort.
It is important to note in this context that it is totally wrong to attach the warning of hell-fire to a particular group of Muslims, as the hadith did not mention any specific group. It is also unlawful to specify a particular group to be the one that will be saved on the Day of Judgment.
The implication of the hadith is for Muslims to beware of all routes and channels that may lead to divisions, differences and conflicts arising among them. Muslims are to act and behave as brothers of one another, as decreed by Allah, and must aim to perfect their religion according to the Qur’an and Sunnah, and must also give true advice to all Muslims.
It is haram (unlawful) for anyone to use this hadith as a vehicle to create conflicts and hatred among Muslims, as the Qur’an and the Sunnah are both clear as to the obligation of allegiance to and love for all Muslims. To leave this undeniable matter and cling on to a misunderstanding of the previously mentioned hadith would be a tremendously dangerous and unlawful thing to do. Allah Almighty states in the Holy Qur’an: “Who is better in speech than one who calls to God, works righteousness and says: I am one of those who submit in Islam?” (Fussilat: 33)”
Moreover, the prominent Muslim scholar, Dr. Muhammad Abu Laylah, professor of the Islamic Studies & Comparative Religions at Al-Azhar University adds:
“The hadith you have referred to is reported by Imam Ahmad in his Musnad. But most of the scholars, however, doubt the authenticity of the end of this hadith, i.e., his saying “all of which are destined for hell-fire but one”.
Nevertheless, you should keep in mind that adherence to the Qur’an and the Purified Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is the assured means for salvation in the Hereafter. So, it is your duty to firmly stick to the Glorious Qur’an and the teachings of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).”
lNo sweetie…this has nothing to do with being Salafee or not.
I just question a woman thats married mind you and allows a converstion with a strange man to get to the point that she knows he wants a 3rd wife.
Thats a reflection of what you taught her.
And I dont class catholics as anything. Im just telling you what christians say about catholics. They arent considered to be christians. They arent ahul kitab. They talk about the Pope being Gods representation on earth. Thats shirk. Next thing you know…youll be telling me that hinduism is a sect of Judaism.
As for your cut and paste. I hate people that cut and paste long articles to prove points. A link would suffice. Those that cut and paste anything that takes me more than 10 minutes to read shows me that you dont know how to break down a rebuttal in your own words.
The hadeeth that I was referring to was not the one you pasted. It was this one,
“The Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) said, “There will not cease to be a group from my Ummah manifest and upon the truth not being harmed by those who forsake them neither by those who oppose them” and he (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) also said, “And this Ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of them in the Hellfire but one”. They said, which one is this O Messenger of Allaah? He replied, “They are those who are upon what I and my companions are upon today”.
Its a much more extended one of the one that you relayed but Im sure you wont believe it.
And i ask you one rhetorical question…who are the OTHER 72 sects that the Prophet spoke about? Because you DO know that the Prophet spoke the truth
The Prophet HIMSELF used the word salaf when he spoke to his daughter..He said to her in an authentic hadeeth narrated in Bukhari…Verily I am a Blessed SALAF to you.
Subhan Allah.
Say all you want but the proofs are clear and theres not much you can do about it.
So how bout this. I tay on my path where I try to pray, fast, understand tawheed, read Quraan, try to act with some manners(in spite of my hot headedness and quick tongue) like those that came before from the Salaf and you can just follow Shaykh Wooly bobo. Deal?
Cool!
O Allah there is nothing worse than typing something out for it to be lost by internet issues.
Hussain. Your wife who is a married woman should have shut her pc down as soon as she saw the conversation was veering off into left field.
Your wife didnt. She came to you talking bad about other muslims and acting like it was salafeeyah that did that.
I heard of brother in Upstate NY who decapitated his wife. He wasnt salafee. Your the type that blames salafees for everything and NO we didnt have anything to do with the recession either.
People like you who copy and paste long articles really do get on my nerves because it shows a lack of knowlegde that you cant break anything down into common language. Rather you google everything you know and then you wonder why your understanding of Islam is so skeweered.
Subhan Allah.
The hadeeth I was referring to is not the one you googled and pasted. Its another one that ends with this ,”this Ummah shall divide into seventy three sects
all going to the Hell-fire except one and it was said, “Who are they, O
Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “They are those who are upon that which I and my
Comapnions are upon.”
The hadeeth is clear as the full moon on a cloud less night. How do you see this as a warning against fracturing when the Nabi said himself that there would be 73 sects. Its inevitable and theres only one that will be saved.
You cant spin that hadeeth.
The Prophet said to his daughter Verily I am a Blessed SALAF to you. The word salaf isnt some new and innovated word.
As for catholics being christans. Well even christians dont beleve that and all the interfaith conferences cant change that fact. Gods representative on earth? Thats shirk.
Next thing you know …youll be trying to tell me that hinduism is a sect of Judaism.
Subhan Allah.
You stick to googling knowledge and Ill stay trying to apply it.
lol@ Crazy internets.
I am amused by a Muslim who relies on fundamentalist Christian definitions of Catholicism. That would be like relying on a Salafi to tell us about Islam!
“And I dont class catholics as anything. Im just telling you what christians say about catholics. They arent considered to be christians. They arent ahul kitab. They talk about the Pope being Gods representation on earth. Thats shirk. Next thing you know…youll be telling me that hinduism is a sect of Judaism.”
All Christians that believe in the concept of the Trinity are in shirk. Pope or no pope, the indisputable fact that they believe Prophet Isa (as) is a GOD (audubillah) and “son of God” is enough to classify them all as upon shirk and if they die in that state, they will be in hellfire permanently.
My wife is convinced of your deviance and dirty mind. You will go as far as you can to demonize anyone who would accuse the “clean as the driven snow” Wahabis of immoral behavior. The fact of the matter is this immoral Wahabi used his wife’s account – of whom my wife was good chat friends with and talked regularly with – to try to entice her with his material offerings as if she was so cheap like those other women. Of course, my wife isn’t that stupid, but it doesn’t mean he doesn’t try this with every woman he meets.
In fact, with Allah (swt) as my witness, his wife told my wife that his second wife is an ILLEGAL ALIEN. hhahaha. I wonder if he knows the penalties for harboring an illegal alien who overstayed her visa for 6 years? Federal prison? Yes, indeed.
I have Jamil’s address too (from his wife) and could turn them in, but won’t because I feel sorry for what would happen to his entire family when he goes to prison for that.
“Assalamu’alaykum. Oh, sorry, this is Jamil, by the way. My wife isn’t here my dear sister. By the way, do you know I am looking for a third wife? If anything ever goes wrong in the future in your marriage, and I hope not, know that I have a house here for you and I work for the FBI too and am rich and have 500 acres of land, so it will be easy for me to get you into the country on a tourist visa.”
(By the way, Jamil doesn’t actually work for the FBI, but rather, he used to work as an informant [spy] after 9/11)
My wife refused to talk with either of them after that point and told another “salafi” sister about his shocking commentary who quickly (and rightfully) said, “Jamil? Jamil in Illinois, the one who works for the FBI? He does that all the time to sisters, married or not. He’s off the manhaj. Stay far away from him.”
That’s the condensed version of what he wrote and he wrote all of it all at once just like that.
The point is that this is typical Wahabi behavior and when they are cornered with the truth they use typical TROID tactics such as insulting and lies. They get married and divorced 10 or 15 times and live on welfare. lol. They pour acid on their wives’ hands (their wives agree to that) so they can defraud the government of the United States of America with false claims for “disability” and then receive all kinds of welfare.
The marriage/divorce merry-go-round is pretty much unique to this group.
I’m glad I never entered an inner city and came from an upper middle class family of civilized people who love this country. In fact, my father works for the Department of Defense, so if you hate the United States or belittle it, know that the reason why you can chat freely as you are right now is because of people like him who strive to defend our country from “Islamo”fascists such as yourself who are loyal to Saudi Arabia and its totalitarian ways. You wouldn’t be able to say the things you are saying in Saudi Arabia or Egypt or whatever bastion of filth you think is so great.
You know had you mentioned any other brother and state I would not have believed you but I do. Its a very small world. I doubt he was ever an FBI informant but its safe to say that he had more reasons to worry about being locked up than most brothers . I would be really wary about the narrations of his wife. She was as much part of the sting on your wife as he was. Her role(as I recall) was to find good sisters for him to marry. She did it all the time. I know of about 4 near misses when it came to that brother. That whole relationship that she had with your wife was a lie. From the first salam to the big reveal. She was in cahoots with him and if it was permissible to bet..I would warrant that he was there by her side every single step on the way. I remember feeling sorry that your wife was duped in that way so Im going to apologize to her. She doesnt have to accept it. Thats ok but theres a type of arrogance that I dont want to have and thats the type where you cant admit you are in the wrong.
As for hating or belittling America. I was actually belitting you.YOU are the one that left the US FOOLISHLY without a master plan. YOU are the one that went from one land to the next and have reached the conclusion that the USA is the best place for YOU. Rather than make the best of a bad decision your there miserable. Thats sad to me. Thats not a move that I would have recommended to anyone. Tie your camel next time brother. Always have a backup plan of which you clearly didnt have.
Your the very person that the Feds look at on their databases. A white muslim who went a place where there are known terrorist groups for a long time. And family that work for the DoD.Dont act so smug.
As for loyalty to Saudi and Egypt? Its those that are on the Sunnah that understand that you dont talk about overthrowing the government. Its those that are on the Sunnah that warn about the like of Ikhwan and their dangerous doctrine. Its those that are on the Sunnah that over and over talk about respecting those in authority INCLUDING the governments that we reside under. That includes the US government.
Its muslims like you who talk about the invalidity of the leaders in the Middle East. NOT those who know and practice Islam as understood by those who best understood NOT speaking against the leaders. That why Western Governments know that the Salafees who speak against opposing the rulers are not the ones to look for…its those who talk about overthrow. They know the difference.
What are you?
Some kind of anti government revolutionary?
As for the catholics. Ok if you want to believe that catholics are considered christians then so be it.
Heres a link as I cant be bothered to break it down for you.
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/cath.htm
Oh yea good for you that you grew up middle class. So did I.Stop assuming that your talking to someone who grew up in the inner cities in lower working class.
Im a woman. I have time to sit online(at times and go back and forth) Blame it on my frivolous nature.
Whats your excuse?
Im done with you. I want that house in Jannah.
Wa Salaamu Alaikum
Jesus is lord website? Give me a break. I had to laugh really hard… spit out half of my mouthful of Diet Coke the moment I laid eyes on that.
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Sorry, I don’t want to click on any Christian links. What’s your obsession with Catholics and them being or not being Christian? Does it mean the Protestants have a chance at Jannah? LOL! No, I didn’t think so!
If you really want to know who the real Christians are, they are the Unitarians, who later became the Unitarian-Universalists. They don’t believe God has a son or associate partners with Him and were persecuted by the Trinitarians for hundreds of years. They believe Jesus was a prophet and I attended their service once in order to make da’wah and have interfaith dialogue with them. Their service had nothing to do with religion, which was interesting. The female minister only spoke in her sermon about how they were persecuted throughout the years for their unitarian (monotheistic) beliefs.
I told her I am Muslim and how we share similar beliefs. I hope they take shahada and come join the Ummah of Muhammad (saw) insha’Allah. Amin.
As for anti-government revolutionary, you must be kidding or on crack.
I voted for William Jefferson Clinton twice, in 1992 and 1996 respectively, and in 2000 for Ralph Nader.
I’m a believer that the Middle East needs democracy, as in truly free and fair elections, and the right to speak their minds without fear of arbitrary and inhumane imprisonment. The so-called “scholars” in the Middle East who support dictatorship fail to understand the ayah in Qur’an that states that leaders (in this case dictators) who do not judge by what Allah (swt) has revealed are transgressors, rebellious and disbelievers. The pro-dictatorship “ulama” there try to make excuses for them such as, “oh, they are afraid of applying Islamic law because of such and such, so they are fasiq, but not kaffir. If they didn’t apply Islamic law because they believed secularism was superior, then they are kaffir.”
Hey, the Qur’an does not make a distinction. I think it is pretty much cut and dried.. black and white. Islamic law is pure and far removed from any error. It is impossible for Shari’ah to fail because it is the divine law from the Creator for the Creation. Allah (swt) knows best how we should govern ourselves. There is no excuse not to rule by Shari’ah in the Muslim lands.
Who said anything about overthrowing them? Those are your words, not mine.
I do think that people there need to press harder for democracy and the US should also do its duty to spread democracy there. There have been some results in Kuwait and even in Saudi Arabia recently with elections. I hope and pray for free and fair elections. Then there would be a moderate Islamic state based on the divine Law.
Democracy would let them have an Islamic state that is accountable to the people, unlike the “Talibandit” pseudo-Islamic state in Afghanistan that was forced on people through war and propaganda and destabilized the region until we mowed it down in 2001. I supported the Northern Alliance in that case. Taliban rule was so cruel and had women in shackles, but I digress.
Everything you said about me coming over here or the reasons why are totally baseless. You don’t know me and have no idea why I originally traveled here. It’s funny how 98% of my friends ask me how they can get visas to the US. The US is very popular over here. Everyone wants to go there and that’s for a good reason. It is a land of opportunity.
You people who sit in the US and whine and moan about how bad the US is obviously are hypocrites. You live off the freedoms there, yet criticize it. Maybe it’s time for your hijrah then? Hijrah might be good for you. Who knows.. maybe you will see how bad life is in the so-called “glorious Muslim lands” and then appreciate how great freedom really is and go back to the good old USA.
It is good for people to go out of the country, see the reality (open shirk, bid’ah and ma’siah and a general disdain for things Islamic along with corruption at all levels of society) and feel the lack of basic freedoms. Then they will learn to appreciate the US is the best country in the world at this point in time.
You will never understand how precious freedom is until you lose it. Luckily for me, I will return to the US a lot wiser than people such as you. Allahu’alam though.
I say again to people who criticize the US: you are free to do so, but why not just leave? If you don’t like it, just leave. It is logical when you think about it. Who wants to live in a place that is so eeeeeeeevil like the US (super salafis bash the US every chance they can get. Just ask TROID welfare mammas who think they can’t work for the kuffar, so they defraud the government and lounge around the mosque all day insulting people and declaring people on and off the mysterious “manhaj”, the definition of which changes by the hour or even the minute.)
Hussain,
I don’t know why you paint the picture of a great America being aware of the fisq and fasad that America spreads across the world. Knowing that they kill your brothers and sisters in unjust wars and aid and support those dictators in the Muslim world that you speak about. That’s very strange to me. Didn’t America support the mass murderer Soharto come to power in Indonesia? This allowed the entrance of the big banks and corporations to enter the country turning the Indonesian people into sweatshop workers for American corporations.
Democracy? Well maybe you should do a little more research about this. Research the Algerian elections where the Islamist won the vote. Report back on what happened.
You should fear Allah and be just when making claims against Muslims. “super salafis bash the US every chance they can get.” Who are these super-salafis? TROID and if so, bring one article where they bashed America. Bring your proof if you are truthful.
Assalamu’alaikum
“I don’t know why you paint the picture of a great America being aware of the fisq and fasad that America spreads across the world.”
America spreads fisq around the world? This is conspiracy theory, but I’ll try to play along. Have you ever heard of personal responsibility? I used to think like you.. that zina and other societal ills were caused by “Americanism” or “Americanization”. As I grew older and wiser, alhamdulillah, I realized that this has little or nothing to do with the US, as if sin is unique to the United States. Everyone has nafs and must fight them. The Shaitaan is not only present in the US. He is everywhere to deceive all Muslims. That’s his full-time job. We only have ourselves to blame for our sins. We can’t blame the US on the Day of Judgment for that. No one put a gun to anyone’s head and told them to wear Gucci or hotpants.
“Knowing that they kill your brothers and sisters in unjust wars and aid and support those dictators in the Muslim world that you speak about.”
They? Who is they? 100% of the US population supported the Iraq war? That’s news to me. Every US citizen is guilty? A lot of US citizens, including myself, were opposed to both wars against Iraq (1991 and 2003). One can still support their country without supporting what some politicians do. Politicians do some things without the consensus of the citizenry. That is not unique to the US. Look at the UK. Do all Britons support the Iraq war? Heck no, but don’t paint them with a broad brush and say that all people who like the UK also support the UK government’s policies.
“Didn’t America support the mass murderer Soharto come to power in Indonesia?”
Soeharto. Yes, they did support him, AS DID THE MUSLIMS. Read the history, brother. Masyumi (pronounced Mashumi) supported Soeharto and helped him in his purges. It wasn’t just US support that aided Soeharto. People here thought of the PKI (Indonesian Communist Party, the LARGEST communist party outside the USSR and P.R. China at the time) as an evil, atheist organization, hell-bent on destroying Islam. When Soeharto came to power, he incited the Muslims into taking out vigilante justice on them. The US also did not want Communism to spread all over the world and I don’t think you did either, although I do believe the purges and mass killings were very regrettable. The US is a much different country today than it was during the Cold War. Would you rather have had the Soviet Union win and be speaking Russian and have no right to practice your religion? That’s what happened to Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and the rest of them that fell under Soviet influence. So, how should have Soviet influence in Indonesia been dealt with? I agree that the US and Soeharto (and his Muslim followers, btw) went overboard, but I think you can see the point here.
“turning the Indonesian people into sweatshop workers for American corporations.”
There are few “sweatshops” here. My wife used to work for Nike, and while it used to be a “sweatshop”, after the local people organized into a labor union, that changed rather quickly. Wages went up and so did the hiring of underage workers. Now you have to have a high school diploma and be over age 18 to work at Nike. You are not required to work more than 40 hours a week, etc. My wife used to work 60 hours a week, but that was her choice. It’s amazing how things can be improved when people take action to try to improve their situation, rather than sitting back in their lazy-boy recliners from 7,000 miles away and doing nothing but criticize the US.
“Democracy? Well maybe you should do a little more research about this. Research the Algerian elections where the Islamist won the vote. Report back on what happened.”
Do you think that would happen in Saudi Arabia? The rulers of Saudi are so nice and angelic. After all, they are given allegiance by the “salafis”. They would never cancel elections they agreed to. If you think they would, then you have a negative view of the Saudi government. How about Kuwait? Egypt? Maybe it would happen…maybe not, but does that mean we must maintain the status quo by saluting the Arab tyrants and not changing anything? Certainly nothing will change if there is no movement for democracy.
“Who are these super-salafis? TROID and if so, bring one article where they bashed America. Bring your proof if you are truthful.”
Are you with TROID? Seems like that is the case. If not, accept my apologies.
Everyone knows they bash the US. They should just leave the US since they hate it so much. To me, when I read their statements that the US is evil and that they cannot work for the kuffar (Americans) so they should defraud the government with bogus claims for welfare, I can see clear anti-Americanism there in those actions and statements. Also, breaking the law by engaging in polygamy which is a crime, although rarely enforced. I thought they are supposed to obey the rulers, even if the rulers are not Muslim?
I’ve heard the word “whore” in here in reference to my country and how the US is full of “fisq” and spreading “fasad”. That’s enough right there… enough proof of your (and the TROID ‘brothers’) hatred of the United States. Lots of libel on these websites about the US.
If you are living off welfare like TROID, especially when it was done by way of deception/fraud, I can only suggest, “Please don’t bite the hand that feeds you”.
TROID has beliefs which go against the grain and the spirit of my country. They bash everything about the US. If you can’t see that, then I suggest a new pair of glasses.
I think it is extreme when a group says they refuse to work for the kuffar and then collect welfare payments my means of fraud. In Islam we are not supposed to cheat or steal (or lie). That says a lot about TROID. Not only that but they slandered countless Muslims who did not deserve to be slandered.
Enough said. The US isn’t perfect, but it is way better off for Muslims than Egypt or the rest of the Middle East. When there is a true, moderate, Islamic state that guarantees human rights, then I’d say we should all make Hijrah.
What people fail to remember is all the dawah opportunities in the US and the fact that now the Muslims have overtaken the Jews in terms of numbers. Perhaps someday the Muslims will be the majority, but if you ditch the US, then the dawah goes out the window. People also are less receptive to da’wah which demonizes the US as you have just done in your post.
Wassalamu’alaikum
Hussain
Oh boy.
I have my own conspiracy theory about this “Hussain”
I think he is trying to wipe the slate clean from his previous misguided anti american views. He is so intent on attacking others..I think in an attempt to deflect from his own self. He knows (and especially with a father that works for the DoD) that someone like him will be looked at on his arrival back to the US.
He is a white muslim revert who comes from a upper middle class family who for some reason became disenfranchised and started on a path of believing that America was responsible for ills of society. He must have been really fanatical about it because he actually LEFT the land that he blamed for a place that he felt was better for him as a muslim.
Once he got there he realized that “all that glitters is not gold” and left that place for another land of the muslims. On his arrival there he saw that the situation for himself was even worse.
Trapped. Angry. Missing home.
He reached out to mommy and daddy for a way back but they refused…”Young man…you made your bed and you must lie in it”
So here it is. Cant leave the wife for a year in order to generate the tax returns that he needs (2 tax years actually ) Cant ask the upper middle class parents to sign as Co- sponsor so he can bring his family back.(A lot of things have changed)
So what does he do?
He works in order to make the money that he needs to return with his family because he is too stubborn to realize that it would make more sense to beg said parents for co-sponsorship.
I wonder how long it would take to make enough money to immigrate with his family to the US.Meanwhile his anger at the US becomes displaced by his anger at Salafees. It was salafees that convinced him to leave the US. It was Salafees that tried to beguile his wife into being a 3rd wife. If there is a crime in the world…its the salafees…and f not the salafees then someone affiliated with them …
Thats my theory.
Its just a theory and it was fun creating it
There is no point at all discussing anything with you if you don’t want to admit that the US spreads corruption in the earth. If you don’t believe that, then you are really a victim of blind patriotism. Take the pornography business as an example. Pornography is LEGAL in the US. Do you think your vote will change that? Porn dominates the internet and satelite TV. This is a billion dollar industry dominated by American corporations. This is one example. Why do you want to blame the ignorant consumer and not the corporations that produce the filth? Do they bother to tell us the ill effects of their products in the long term? More importantly, why is it legal in the first place? One of the sour fruits of democracy.
If you are not willing to call a spade a spade then there is no point in discussing anything with you. You admire a country that has taken its religious beliefs and tossed it behind its back to rule by man made laws. They allow and prohibit things based upon human opinion. That’s great to you? You need to study the meaning of La ilaha Illa Allah.
When you talk about personal choice just think about that when you tell your daughter not to talk to strange boys and when she comes home pregnant talk about personal choice then. Yes, there is personal choice and there is also keeping your family away from evil. I won’t put my daughter in a mixed public school and if or when something happens to her turn around and say personal choice. By the way, your children have a “right” not to practice Islam in the land of milk and honey under your blessed democracy.
When I speak of the US I speak of a government and this government is responsible for many atrocities throughout the earth. You deny that? You’re a fool then. They support the leaders and the countries you are running from. Whether or not you support the war doesn’t matter if your country goes to war anyway. Where is your Democracy now? They didn’t even ask me whether or not they should go to war. What happened to that democracy thingie? They do these acts in our names whether we like it or not.
Hussain, you should speak the truth even if it is bitter. Call a spade a spade. America is no virgin. It is your view of America that allows them to use different means of crowd control. They use the dumb patriot that turns a blind eye to the atrocities that are committed or when he does see that an atrocity has been committed he is given the right to protest/demonstrate, let off steam and return to his 9-5, which he is stuck in because of the mass amount of debt he has incurred in our riba based economic system. That shouldn’t sound too great to a Muslim, but hey, I never understood how a pimp could get a woman to sell her body and then give him all the money either.
BTW TROID is in Canada and you have yet to show any evidence that they speak ill of the US. Also, I don’t represent TROID I represent myself.
@ blah
Wow, you should write a book or something. It would give you something to do in your free time, which you seem to have a lot of.
@ Abu Zakariyya
Alcohol and/or pornography are illegal in some US jurisdictions. (Case in point: Poplarville, Mississippi in the case of alcohol) It’s called getting involved with the local city council and community. Community decency laws and such. I bet you never heard of that. Yep, the good old democratic process. There’s nothing stopping you from doing that.
BTW, those good old “Muslim lands” also sell alcohol and pornography but you have no way of stopping it because it isn’t democratic and you’d probably be jailed if you spoke out.
The TROID cult was all over the US, including East Orange and Philadelphia. They collected welfare by fraud because they believed it was haram to work for a non-Muslim. It was stated on this blog, which is an attack on your cult.
Some people resort to personal attacks when they lose an argument. lol
I hope you call me more names so I can receive all of your good deeds. *smile*
The only good thing that came out of 9/11 was the fact that your extremist, foul-mouthed “scholars” were imprisoned, along with the collapse of 95% of your organization.
Thanks for destroying yourselves.
Hussain
@Hussein
I do have time on my hands. Alhamdulillah there are some brothers who can provide for their families and not make hijrah, marry out of the US and then gripe about the fact that they are in a land (of their choosing). You know the kind of brothers that work 2 jobs and go to school in order to provide and better life for their family(that would be me)
And I do write alhamdulillah but I also read and I read you very very well.
I knew exactly who Jamil was. What makes you think I dont know who you are? I said it was a small world for a reason.
Troid originates in Canada. Just because people visited Troids website doesnt mean that Troid is American. You said that Troid should leave the US because of their anti american sentiments. You thought that they were in the US. A quick who is search would have informed you correctly but rather than admit to bein wrong you tried to spin it. You are so obvious to me and im sure obvious to the people reading this thread. You are never wrong are you?
The problem with you is you gained all your information from he said she said. From the internets. From what a sister said. From what your cat said. From Shaykh Google and Islam Al Yahoogroups.
As for deeds? Trust me on this. Your slanderous tongue has worked more against you on yaum ad deen than anything I or anyone else has said.
Sisters who burned their hands with acid indeed in order to get welfare. You make it seem like an epidemic. Did you hear that from the “sister” that told you that Jamil was an FBI informant? Its enough of a lie that a person narrates everything that they hear! You’re the only extremist. You’re an extremist in the lies that you tell. Auuthubilla MINKA.
I could sit here and use the time I have to list all your lies, slander and inaccuracies but Id rather watch paint dry to be frank.
*laughs* at the thought that Fatima Zahra (ra) would call herself a salafi. Salaf is a real word whereas the word “Salafi” was not used by Muslims until 0.5% of them innovated its use in place of “Muslim” in the 20th century. *laughs* They have the gall to label the other 99.5 percent as ahlul bidah, yet pull a stunt like this? Salafi peeps are Salafi alright, but they are not Muslim. They are too allergic to Holy Qur’an to say they are only Muslim as Allah ta’ala intended. You can’t convince them to accept Muslim as their only label. IANA didn’t insist on that creepy label, thus IANA is gone. The peeps took them out behind the barn and shot them I suppose – for being ‘off it’. *laughs* Or maybe they beheaded them like they did in their X-rated Jihadi films. Berg, Pearl, Korean man etc. They are not forgotten. You Talafi pigs.
You have not only committed gheeba, but possibly buhtan. Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black? You make an open ended statement about TROID women committing welfare fraud and you think you are safe from committing gheeba or buhtan? I asked you to produce your proofs regarding their hate propaganda against America and you have not, so I guess you could be losing deeds on that day as well. Let me help you, here is the website: http://www.troid.org and you could also google it. I await your evidence. Don’t let your hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Also, I have nothing to do with TROID.
You want to compare liquor sells and pornography in the Muslim world to that of America? Is that a fair comparison? There was a liquor store on almost every two blocks where I live. And how many college girls are “going wild” these days compared to 20 years ago. Ah, the effects of a loss of moral values… Rather than admit this, you will probably point the finger at your Muslim brothers and sisters. It seems that you want to defend America at all costs.
You want to vote these problems away? Well, what happens when you lose the vote? Would you still be happy with democracy? You think it is a good idea for people to come together and decide what should be halaal and haram based upon their desires? Again, you should study the meaning of la ilaha illa Allah. Also you should study the issue of al-walaa and al-bara because clearly it appears that you would rather live amongst non-muslims and enjoy their democracy than live amongst Muslims in their lands.
Ok, I’m done with you. You won if that makes you happy. Have a nice day.
U – S – A , U – S – A !
To bring your porn and alcohol statement in its proper context. I don’t know of any Muslim country that has legalized pornography. Please correct me if I am wrong. As it relates to alcohol, in most Muslim countries it is illegal for Muslims to consume alcohol. Interestingly enough, it is there for kuffar tourists.
How would you speak up against these things anyway? Yell in the streets? Try yelling in the streets in America in front of a liquor store which legally operates and see how fast you’ll be arrested. Have fun trying to prohibit alcohol in America. While you feel there is hope that’s all it is. Big business runs things in America. Don’t fool yourself.
By the way, Poplarville, Mississippi has a population of 2,943. If you are talking about having a small town for Muslims in America then this would be a good idea, however you would still be under state jurisdiction and unable to implement Islam completely.
If you want to label America corrupt, then include most Muslim countries. Moral values is heading down, doesnt differentiate between culture, location or religion.
“As to the TROID side, they continued to shrink in influence, and have become sort of a punch line. They are the ones associated with ‘salafiyah’ when other Muslims think of salafis. Mention the word ‘Salafi’ to a Muslim what often comes to mind is a criminal who marries several times. They thought it to be “unbeneficial” to address social issues and those very issues ate away at them like acid. They thought it better to “leave these issues” but it never left them.
TROID began to lose influence as the tabloid style emails ceased and they ran out of people to character assassinate. Plus people just got tired. They can’t put together any conferences outside of Philly and Newark, where – even in those places – they are also waning in influence.”
http://umarlee.com/2007/01/
Seems to me that they are active in America.
“As to the TROID side, they continued to shrink in influence, and have become sort of a punch line. They are the ones associated with ‘salafiyah’ when other Muslims think of salafis. Mention the word ‘Salafi’ to a Muslim what often comes to mind is a criminal who marries several times. They thought it to be “unbeneficial” to address social issues and those very issues ate away at them like acid. They thought it better to “leave these issues” but it never left them.
TROID began to lose influence as the tabloid style emails ceased and they ran out of people to character assassinate. Plus people just got tired. They can’t put together any conferences outside of Philly and Newark, where – even in those places – they are also waning in influence.”
Seems to me that they are active in America.
THE SO CALLED SALAFI THOSE RUNING AFTER WOMEN ALL DAY ;AND SPYING FOR THE MI5 MI6 AND MOSSAD SCHOULD SHUT THEIR MOUTH AND NOT SPEAK ABOUT BEN LADEN AND HIS MENS BEN LADEN IS DEFENDING OUR WOMENS AND SISTERS AND WHAT ARE YOUR SCHOLARS DOWING ;;;;;DANCING WITH KINGS AND PRINCES
it’s not really wigger boy lee, but dismayed here – just wanted to get everyone’s attention to serious concerns I have about wigger boy lee’s site – he’s talking in graphic detail about the sexual preferences of three white male converts to Islam. How weird can you get? Are they for real or some figment of wigger boy lee’s imagination/fantasy? Have they also been down the gym with you for some manly rolling around – what you call combat fighting?
wigger boy lee, you are one worrying fantasist -God heal you!
Dismayed I actually agree with you for once on something> I have read the Umar Lee site before and I thought he had way too much to say about people’s sexuality or what he perceived their sexuality to be, and I thought it was troubling.
@happy, you still hangin around muslims? now that’s troubling – go and get a life
Not as troubling as yalls mentality. I find this site highly amusing especially the pious and earnest brayers for bruzzer Mika’eel Jackson. Oh and the conspiracy theories. How can I stay away from comedy gold like this?
@happy, you can’t keep away from us! go find some atheist friends or don’t you have ANY friends, believers or otherwise. The fact that you find this site highly amusing says a lot about your sad life! I’m sure we can find contacts or put an ad in local papers for you “sad loner seeks company- any company, please!”
But on a serious note, please stop slinking around believers and go and find some nice atheists to depress.
as salaamu alaikum one and all
it grieves me alot to know of your pain akhi! stay strong make dua’a to allaah subhanna wa ta ala and insha allah ta ala he will make it easy for you.pratice being a MUSLIM and always follow th SUNNAH and our HOLY QUR’AN. wa’tasimoo bi-hablil-laahi jamee’an wa laa tafarraqoo! surah 3 AL-’Imran part 4 page 73 Ayat 103. barak allaah feekum.
The number of repeat commenters, along with their quite sizable comments, along with the fact that most of them appear to be males (Allaahu A’lam) makes me wonder where you guys/brothers get the time to be involved in such an ugly thing as arguing. I mean really, do you guys/brothers have jobs, families, children, friends even? All the things that make up a…….LIFE?
Good grief give it a rest already.
la talafiyya dont suport the most but spy on them and suply the koffar with all the information they need against the muslims
assalamualaikum
salafiya is the best thing that have happpened 2 islam in this century.
whooooooo 2 those who are salafy haters
TO ABOU AISHA
TELL ME PLEASE WHAT DID YOU DO TO ISLAM OR TO MUSLIM .WHAT DID YOU DO TO GAZA AND PALESTINE AND IRAK AND AFGANISTAN.PHILIPINE.BOSNIA IN THE WAR OF GAZA EVERY BODY SAW THE FACE OF THE TALAFIYYA WHEN THEY SAID THAT HAMAS IS GUILTY NOT THE JEWS .PLEASE STAY WITH YOUR 4 WIFES IN BED AND LET THE REAL MENS FIGHT.THE MUJAHIDNE ARE FIGHTING THE KOFFAR AND REVENGING FOR OUR WOMENS AND SISTERS WEIL THE TALAFIYYA HANDING INFORMATION TO THE ARMEE OF THE KOFFAR ….WE KNOW YOU …YOU CAWERED ..SPYS..BUT A DAY WILL COMME WHEN THE MOUJAHIDIN FINISH WITH THE YOUR MASTERS THE KOFFAR ,THEN WILL BE YOUR TURN
WE NEVER SEE THOSE TALAFIYYA TALKING AOUT THE PROBLEM OF MOSLEMS IN CHINA CHECHNIA PHILIPINE PALESTINE IRAK AFGANISTAN BUT WHEN A KAFFIR DIED ,THEN TEWY COMME OUT FROM THEIR CAVES TO TRY TO GET SOMME INTENTION FROM THEIR WALI AL KHAMR ::::::::::::::::::::::::TALAFIYA GO TO HELL:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
BISMIL ALLAH …….
I AM A MUSLIM FROM PHILADELPHIA I WAS BORN AND RAISED AS A MUSLIM AND EVER SINCE THE SALAFI FINTAH HAS ENTERED MY CITY THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT TURMOIL. I MAKE DUA FOR THESE BROTHERS DUE TO THER LACK KNOWLEDGE AND THER LOVE FOR THE SCHOLARS OF ISLAM WHO ARE THE SUCCESSORS OF THE PROPHET. I SUGGEST TO ALL MUSLIMS LEARN FROM A SHIEK PICK A MATHAB AND ASK ALLAH TO CLEANSE UR HEART AND PURIFIY UR SOUL. I ASK MY MUSLIM BROTHR AND SISTERS DO NOT DEBATE WITH THESE PEOPLE WHO DONT HAVE ENOUGH SINCE TO CORRECT THERE OWNSELVES BUT CORRECT THE GREATEST SCHOLARS WHO ALLAH HAS SENT TO PROTECT THIS PERFECT RELGION.
BISMIL ALLAH
ABU AISHA I ASK U IF THE SALAFIY MINHAJ IS THE BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPEND TO ISLAM WHY DO U CARE WHAT WE SAY ? THE SUNNAH U SHOULD REMEMBER IS THAT U SHOULD EITHER TRY TO GIVE US DAWWAH WITH SAHIH PROOF OR MAKE DUA FOR US . PLEASE WE DNT HATE SALFI’S WE ARE SIMPLE REACTIN TO THE BULLY THAT CONSTANTLY PICKS ON US. I ASK U THIS ALSO MY DEAR BELOVED BROTHER WHY DO U CALL UR SELF SALFI ?
@ NUH
Pick a medhab!?! The first three generations of Islaam passed buy without a madhabs. I want to be in the madhab of Abu Bakr As Siddeeq (radiyyallaah anhu) was in. Tell me what madhab he was in?
@daud,
well, you’d better get started cos you’ll have a very, very long way to go. One tip, sayyidina Abu Bakr the truthful (Allah be well pleased with him) left hardly any hadith but you carry on Daud-no need to bother with all the painstaking work the early scholars did to do exactly the above, you do it all on your own in isolation, masha Allah, that’s the spirit-independent reasoning. Let us all know your results cos if you don’t you will have sinned, because it’s obvious that we can’t follow anything but our own research- else we’re be committing the cardinal sin of Taqleeeeed aka Taqlid. Oh, but come to think of it, isn’t that precisely what we do when we believe that this hadith is Sahih, that’s hasan and so on? Unless we take it upon ourselves to painstakingly research, check, cross reference each narrator, sanad and so on, we’re just doing taqlid?
Anyway, not much time left, so get cracking mujtahid Daud – hey, that’s got a nice ring to it, sounds different to all the abuuuuu this and abuuuuuu that or ibn Ronald this and al-Breeetaaaaaneeee this and al-Amreeeeekeeeee that, such self important inflated egos masha Allah. You could start touring the world as Aboooo Nobody al-mujtahid, a little secret marriage here, one there. One divorce here , abondoned children there. Give a sympathetic listening ear to vulnerable sisters who somehow, masha Allah, end up in bed with you, that of course has happened lawfully because you’ve twisted shari’a for your own lustful and perfectly legitimate ends. You can ride the world on your self importance and fame. Wear all the right cloths,develop that sham pious look these sham scholars have, have your garment at the right length- can’t have that out of order can we- beating, dumping women and kids, running away from responsibilities all pale into significance next to you ‘looking the part’ masha Allah. So go on boy, get researching!!!
BISMIL ALLAH
@DAUD … MY DEAR BELOVED BRO. MAY ALLAH HAVE MERCY ON THE BOTH OF US. IM NOT LOOKING TO DEBATE ALTHOUGH I WILL CORRECT YOU INSHALLAH.YOU ARE CORRECT ABU BAKR DID NOT FOLLOW A PARTICULAR IMAM IN MATTER OF CREED OR FIQH LETS LOOK AT WHY …….. WELL HE LEARNED DIRECTLY FROM PROPHET MUHHAMED (PBUH)…..ARE U AWARE WHY ALLAH GAVE THIS UMMAH THESE GREAT IMAMS . HE IS PROTECTING THE RELGION AS PROMISED. THE MATHAB IS FOR THE LAYMEN SUCH AS MYSELF FURTHER MORE I KNOW YOU THINK EVERY THING IS A BIDAH BUT IF U LOOK AT THE SCIENCE OF TAJWEED THE SCIENCE WAS NOT AROUND DUREING THE TIME OF THE PROPHET (PBUH) BUT IT WAS PUT IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE RECITATION OF THE QURAN. FURTHER MORE THE 4 IMAMS PROOF FOR THERE DIFFRENCE OF OPINION IS ALL FROM QURAN AND SUNNAH SO TO CORRECT YOU MY DEAR BELOVE BRO. THE MATHABS ARE QURAN AND SUNNAH . SO IF U FOLLOW A MATHAB U ARE FOLLOWING THE QURAN AND SUNNAH MASHALLAH
………MAYBE U SHOULD FOLLOW ONE AND I SUGGEST YOU STUDY Tasawwuf.